[barend]

just got thinking...

this whole "too old" crap that keeps popping up (as, let's face, a poor excuse for a tie in and defeating attempt at consistency) is by far the most implausible notion.

let's look at the track record...

Luke Skywalker
commenced training: age 21 (aprox)
result: defeated Darth Vader/Anikan

Anikan Skywalker (AKA Darth Vader, Annie)
commenced training: age 11
result: defeated room of younglings

the Younglings
commenced training: age 4
result: wiped out.

well, i think the results speak for themselves there...

[Stray nerf]

Not to mention the scores of mature jedi who we can assume also began training at age 4.
-Owned

Maybe GL should have made a comedy prior to making the PT, as he did prior to Ep.4, and he coulda got the Luney Tunes scenarios out of his system, and focused on writing.

[Madam Corvax]

Good one, Barend.

I could understand that Luke was perhaps a bit too old. BUt saying this about "Annie" at the age of eleven was plain stupid. Even Russian ballerinas still can be accepted for training at the age of eleven. Really, if it was the young age for apprentices they wanted, why not just get the Jedi to breed the little sods?

[Paladin]

Actually, Anakin began training at age 9. Also, age 4 is still too old to begin(!) according to the profile of some Jedi Master I read at Starwars.com.

Anyway, the proper age to begin training is actually 6 months if I'm not mistaken. It makes you wonder just how you can train an infant that young...

[Zatoichi]

The Force works in mysterious was.

*snicker*

Well, not anymore it doesn't.

[UCAPTIOUS]

Actually the age restriction is a precaution against the psychological condition of the would be Padawan rather than the physical. An individual learns fear at an early age and unless conditioned prior he or she will always be more susceptible to the lure of the Dark Side. The rule has nothing to do with the potential to become a great warrior... after all, wars not make one great.

Oops! I forgot to be a high brow posturing elitist.

Down with GL! Boo Jar Jar! Hiss! My Star Wars is cooler than your Star Wars! I'm infinitely wise and assert my individuality by fearlessly marching along with mob mentality! I sure hope I can get a date this time for this year's Star Wars convention!

[barend]

6 months?

what is anyone going to learn at 6 months?

how does a parent discearn high force potential at 6 months?

oh yeah that's right...

9D9 & Sleezebaggano Medical Center
Dr.Porkins: Alright, Mrs Windu... we've immunized your son against polio, the flu, and bantha fever, also blood test revealed your son is clear from and disease, his blood type is AB and he he has a ludicrously high level of medichlorines.
Mrs.Windu: oh? What doea that mean?
Dr.Porkins: that means he's perfectly healthy, but some little green guy from the jedi temple has already collected him and you won't be seeing him again as long as you live. Here's some fertility drugs, however, and good luck with the next one.

This post has been edited by barend: 20 November 2005 - 08:19 PM

[Zatoichi]

Actually the age restriction is a precaution against the psychological condition of the would be Padawan rather than the physical. An individual learns fear at an early age and unless conditioned prior he or she will always be more susceptible to the lure of the Dark Side. The rule has nothing to do with the potential to become a great warrior... after all, wars not make one great.

We know that, but look how Luke turned out. Now he may have been some kind of Jedi paragon or something, but it seems his age wasn't too much of a barrier to his doing well.

[Lord Aquaman]

We know that, but look how Luke turned out. Now he may have been some kind of Jedi paragon or something, but it seems his age wasn't too much of a barrier to his doing well.

Verily verily. All too true.

[barend]

if six months was really the starting age, and looking at how anikan turned out... there is no way that yoda would have taken on Luke.
it completeley goes against everything to such an extent...

this really is the ultimate proof that Lucas completely misinterpreted the echange of dialogue in ESB. "He is too old. Yes, too old to begin the training." this comes at the end of a list of things and is Yoda's last excuse to get out of taking him on. reviewing the PT if it were true cannon, it should have been the first point.
"This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things."
This one a long time i have watched?
Why would he even let Obiwan tell luke to swing on by... if 6months was the admission age. and anikan turned out so horrible starting at 9yrs.

the focus on off hand remarks from the PT truley lead one to believe that Lucas participation into what made the OT great was minimal at best.

the script for ESB says:
Written by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett
From a story by George Lucas

george just came up with the basic plot.
the meat of this sandwich was served by others, and poorly reproduced by lucas later because he clearly doesn't get it...

and this whole 'age' thing with training is further proof that GL is not a genius, he doesn't understand his source material for which he claims full credit, and demands complete controll to whatever end!!!

this is why the PT sucks...

and on such a deeply tragic level...

if anyone can read through all this and still feel nothing but devotion to those peices of crap i truley feel dorry for them.

[Smashman]

*completely agrees with and feels just as angry for Lucas' destruction of Star Wars as barend*

That is why the PT and OT will always be two separate trilogies and not one cohesive story. Let's just say they both got the name STAR WARS by accident, sort of like the two completely different Mask films. One a Jim Carrey comedy, and the other a drama about a boy with a disfigured face.

This post has been edited by Smashman: 01 December 2005 - 05:56 PM

[barend]

nicley put...

[Zatoichi]

correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the age thing was more about preconcieved notions on how the world works.
Here are some lines from ESB at Dagobah:

"It's too big"

"You ask the impossible"

"Look at me, judge me by my size do you?"

"I .. I don't believe it"

"That is why you failed"

Luke was pretty set in his ways of thinking, and was the fool for it too. He has been using the Force for awhile now, but still didn't understand it very well. That, is what I believe the too old line was about, even though Yoda sounded like he was just making an excuse. Seriously, in considering training Luke, the worst that could happen would either be Luke dies, or he becomes a Sith. When it comes down to it, the galaxy doesn't end up that much worse off. Especially because of the Rule of two Sith. Somebody would have to end up dead. If the Emporer dies, there goes the manipulative, backstabbing, intelligent mastermind villian. If Vader dies, there goes the quite experienced Sith Lord and very powerful warior. If Luke dies, than you are back to square one.

As a matter of fact, it might have even worked out somewhat favorably if Luke became a Sith. Worst case senerio is that he kills Vader. Luke may be more powerful, but he's no Vader. Best case senario. Palpatine dies and the Empire is left without a capable leader. Because of internal strife, the Empire tears itself apart. Training Luke is a win-win senario, specifically because of the Rule of two Sith. No matter what happens, there is a favorable outcome. Now if that doesn't change your opinion about that stupid rule than maybe this will help.

coimical fun

[barend]

luke wasn't set in his ways, he just hadn't been shown just how much he could do.

of course he would be supprised by all that.

but if the age thing had really been the issue, it would have been the first thing that yoda brought up, and he would have dwealt on it.

if six months is the training age, then letting luke train would be like letting a 4 year old into a pornographic snuff film.

[Darth Player]

Maybe the "Too old To Train" line is Yoda thinking out loud that he's had it with training all these winners and wants to throw in the towel. What's the point of training one pimply faced apprentice after a long break if a cadre of hundreds including Younglings went down faster than you could say "CGI".

Man, i miss the TPM forum. I guess we've come to the realization that the damage has been done and we're survivors moreso now than movie-goers.