[Despondent]

GL says a lot of things.

[Sagacity]

What is the most significant reason you hate the PT?

Because it goes out of its way to be so cotton-picking awful. And there's just no reason for it to be.

[ion eon]

HAHAHAHAHAAHHA, "cotton-picking."

[barend]

You apparently misunderstood why I quoted this. The story behind ALL six movies is about Anakin. GL admitted that much. It is a mundane detail in comparison to all of the other details in the films. Just like Jar Jar is a mundane detail. The only reason he existed was to hand over control to Palpatine. There are bigger details, like the Clone creation and the Republic being under the influence of a Sith Lord. If you didn't see how Anakin and Obi-Wan were becoming friends in the films then you missed it. That's why it is a mundane detail. It gets overlooked by people that despise the PT. I recognized a connection from the get-go... why do other people dismiss this? I guess GL should have put neon signs on their foreheads pointing at one another that repititiously flash "FRIENDS". That would definitely clear things up nicely.

These movies have such an enormous back story and so many supporting characters that it would be impossible... or improbable to put every little detail in these films. If Lucas was concerned with putting every possible detail in the films, each movie would be more than 6 hours long. Let's all bash Lucas for not making 6 hour long movies! Let's ridicule his vision because he only clued us in on certain details! To be honest... yes, I like explosions and flashing lights, but I'm a man. I like seeing things blown up. If you say you don't, you're lying to yourself. The reason I'm argueing is because these films have just enough story and substance to keep your attention for at least 2 hours. If Lucas were to put more detail into each film, how long do you personally think you could sit and watch them? Three hours per film? Five? Get real. What's done is done and I think Lucas did what he could attempting to cram days of writing into a 2 hour format. I know I couldn't have done better myself, so why do you think you could? I know from personal experience how hard it is to cram several hours worth of writing into even a 5 minute format for animation work. I'm hard pressed to figure out what was so wrong with the PT. The OT has just as many holes, but they are put on a pedestal as being superior to the prequels. I think ESB was the best SW movie, but I can't stand the SE crap, and I loathe the Ewoks. I've read many of complaints about the PT and about 10% of them are valid reasons to hate the PT. The other 90% of these nitpicks are futile, either because of personal opinion, or because nobody can take an opinion of their own, so they borrow everyone else's opinions. I'm only curious as to why these films are being bashed as persistent as they are, when there seems to be no explanation other than "there are a lot of things about the PT that I think suck". That's the only reason I argue my point. Why do we oppose war only in times of war? Most people in these forums would answer, "because war is bad". Ok. Why? "Because I don't think there's enough of a background story behind it." The SW saga isn't full of holes because of shoddy writing skills, it's full of holes to keep you guessing. To make you think... what if? It's excellent story-telling. I'm a fan of TLOTR films, too. Excellent story-telling. The difference? Peter Jackson directed every little amount of detail he could put in those movies making them each 3 hours long. I'm willing to bet there will be no more LOTR movies released... at least not by Peter Jackson. I'm also under the impression Lucas will not release any further SW titles on the big screen... there's always other directors, though. I didn't say I'm right and you're all wrong. That is entirely based on opinion. I personally hated Hero with Jet Li. It's all in subtitles, and I hate having to read subtitles through the duration of an entire film. However, if you watch this movie and you miss any subtitling that is important, you miss part of the plot. I leave you with one last question. What is the most significant reason you hate the PT?

you're all over the place there, i don't know where to start...

1. of course there won't be any more LOTR movies, there were only three books...
2. you judged the movie HERO on the basis it was made in another language? that's weak...
3. even when i was 8 years old i hated the ewoks, because they were interrupting a long awaited confrontation with a ridiculous premise...
4. this argument was never about length. Big trouble in little china gives you more in an hour and a half than th ePT.
5. Obiwan and anikans friendship isn't a mundane detail! the whole point of their confrontation is that they are meant to be friends, in the OT you are clearly put under the impression that anikan was lured to the dark side, but in the PT he looked like he was just waiting for an excuse to go evil with his constant questioning, disobedience, rants, mass killings, etc. Humanity is always the most important part of a story, without that you have nothing... it's just a techfest, which might be enough for a bunch of kids, but these are prequels to films that were adored by people who are now adults (and many who were at the time), we need more... the OT provided realistic sexual tension, realistic friendships, and human reaction... once you've got that covered the SFX can date as much as they want, because there's still a good story there. rather than update movies that we loved with SFX, he should update his PT with story. look at LOTR... it's not just some guys killing orcs, when you loose gandalf, and boromir, and when they think frodos been captured it actually means something becuase these characters cared about each other... it was emotionally engaging, which since the dawn of time is all story telling has ever meant to be.... without that you're just makeing porn.
6. i hate the PT becuase it fails in everyway that's truly important....
the performances are weak through no fault of the actors... George Lucas has ruined Hayden Christianson's career. I know from direct accounts how little information he gave his actors...
and was a one take wonder like Ed Wood. HE rushed through filming just to get to Post Production becuase that's all he cares about.
ontop of that he focused far too much time on the obvious, too little on the important, and left some of the most intriguing bits completely ambiguous.
the few things that were meant to happen that he did make happen, happened without reason or explanation... (Padme dying comes to mind, first in a long list), and for more information feel free to read through the old threads!

[Jejef Thgaron]

There may be only three books of the LOTR series... what about other J.R. Tolkien novels?

They could've at least translated HERO from Chinese. Especially when a lot of Americans don't speak more than one language (or understand more than one).

The Ewoks interrupted a long awaited confrontation with a ridiculous premise. What ridiculous premise could that be? I know you think the PT's full of them, but you're referring to the OT. Or are you?

And if you think Big Trouble in Little China is a superior movie by any means, why is it in the $5 DVD section at Wal-Mart? Why is it usually sitting on the same shelf with Gigli, or Master Of Disguise?

If it isn't a mundane detail, then why do so many people have trouble seeing that the two characters are friends in the first place?

The PT may have its faults, but the OT does, too. Hayden Christenson has ended his own career. He's not even acting in any more films. That's not Lucas' fault, it's Hayden's choice. If I remember right, he's getting involved in architecture. After people slammed TPM, is it any wonder why Lucas might be in a rush to get to post-production on the last two episodes? He has always left intriguing bits in complete ambiguity, even in the OT. I agree that Padme's death should have been explained more thorough, but I think it was because she loved Anakin so much that when he turned to the dark side, she decided through her own will that she had nothing left to live for. She had already decided that when she found out Anakin had turned. She even said, "You're going down a path that I can't follow". Nonetheless, it should have been explained better, but Lucas never fully explains everything to the highest extent. There is a reason for everything to happen, but some things are better left unsaid. Maybe Lucas is going to explain Padme's death in the TV series, but it will still be something that you will have to read between the lines to understand. Why does Leia remember her mother in ROTJ? I'm sure something will be released to explain it. Otherwise, it's because Lucas is tired of people bashing his films and asking questions such as this. Somebody will explain it. Eventually. Have patience.

[Zatoichi]

Warning: This is gonna be a long one
Don't take too much offense, just enough.

There are always going to be flaws in movies... no matter how mundane we view them, there will always be flaws.
I can accept that, even if it's an opinion, not fact.
There is no perfect movie. It doesn't exist, and if it does... I'd like to see it.
As would I
Little bit more background for Han Solo:
Yes, he is a smuggler... now.
He was an Imperial cadet with good standing.
He freed Chewbacca from Imperial slavers because he hated slavery.
This doesn't necessarily constitute Han Solo as a mob soldier... more like a humanitarian (Wookieetarian).
He freed Bria Tharen from her slavery on Ylesia from the t'landa Til.
Sure... NOW, he may not be a law abiding citizen, but he has completely done a 180 from how he used to be. The only reason he's so good at smuggling is because of his life as a young boy... that's all he knew was to steal from people and cheat people out of money. He was "adopted" for lack of a better word by a very crime-oriented organization through Garris Shrike and his brother, Larrad. They taught him how to beg, steal, lie, and whatever was necessary to swindle people out of more money. He's not necessarily a bad person, he's been raised that way.
I had actually happened to know all of that, but it is in no way needed for the actual film. And, now that I think about it, that means that the character Han Solo has been one of the "good guys" all along and that his character never developed or changed a bit. Such stagnation, for having that as a main character, that is awful.
That's my point, all along, Zatoichi. And you have to admit that there are a lot of elements of the PT that are just as exciting as elements of the OT.
Change "a lot" to "very few"
All in all, the whole SW saga is a great series of movies.
Change "the whole" to "one half"
I just hope that people would realize this point and stop bashing every element of the PT simply because there may be a few flaws.
Not every, just most. Also change "a few" to "countless"
There are just as many flaws in the OT.
No, I can count those ones on my fingers. I can use my toes if necessary.
There are just as many flaws in every other film ever made... the ones in SW are just more obvious.
A. That just makes it worse, and B. No, there are only as many flaws in all of the crappy films ever made. By that sentence alone I can tell that you have not had the fortune of seeing very many good films, let alone more than a few of the classics. A good place to get an idea, would be the American something or other top 100 movies of all time list. Many of them are much older, but it certainly does not make them bad.
I dunno... maybe that's why I like the PT so much is because I can spot the mistakes so obviously... as opposed to movies where I can't easily find too many flaws.
Okay, so you previously stated that you want to see the perfect movie, but you like films where the multitude of flaws are quite easily recognizeable. Not only is that silly , because it directly detracts from the experience of watching a film, but it is also very contratictory as well.
You apparently misunderstood why I quoted this. The story behind ALL six movies is about Anakin. GL admitted that much. It is a mundane detail in comparison to all of the other details in the films.
And if all of the mundane stuff detracts from the believablilty of the film, that's bad. And seeing as how it is part of the "why" he turned, it isn't very mundane. If Anakin had just out of nowhere decided to turn to the darkside for no apparent and/or logical reason would you believe it? Oh wait, that's what happened.
Just like Jar Jar is a mundane detail. The only reason he existed was to hand over control to Palpatine.
Which is just lazy writing. There is no thinking, no substance, no nothing. Oh, Palpatine got the dunce to hand him complete and total power on a silver platter. I guess he wasn't such a mastermind afterall.
There are bigger details, like the Clone creation and the Republic being under the influence of a Sith Lord.
Which none of the Jedi could even weakly sense for absolute BS reasons.
If you didn't see how Anakin and Obi-Wan were becoming friends in the films then you missed it. That's why it is a mundane detail. It gets overlooked by people that despise the PT. I recognized a connection from the get-go... why do other people dismiss this? I guess GL should have put neon signs on their foreheads pointing at one another that repititiously flash "FRIENDS". That would definitely clear things up nicely.
1.Or, it was because it wasn't there. 2.It isn't mundane if it is a part of why Anakin falls to the Dark Side and becomes Darth Vader. 3.See number one 4. No, we were informed that they were friends in the OT. We didn't need the neon signs, we just needed for them to at least act like it.
These movies have such an enormous back story and so many supporting characters that it would be impossible... or improbable to put every little detail in these films. If Lucas was concerned with putting every possible detail in the films, each movie would be more than 6 hours long. Let's all bash Lucas for not making 6 hour long movies! Let's ridicule his vision because he only clued us in on certain details!
That is because it is not necessary. It is only necessary to put all of the necassary details in and flesh it out at least a little bit. It is necassary to put all of the important and relevant details in. There is a difference between making someone think a little and leaving them clueless.
The reason I'm argueing is because these films have just enough story and substance to keep your attention for at least 2 hours.
Just enough is like saying that it was barely good enough. Personally, I sat there waiting to see if it got any better.
If Lucas were to put more detail into each film, how long do you personally think you could sit and watch them? Three hours per film? Five? Get real. What's done is done and I think Lucas did what he could attempting to cram days of writing into a 2 hour format. I know I couldn't have done better myself, so why do you think you could? I know from personal experience how hard it is to cram several hours worth of writing into even a 5 minute format for animation work. I'm hard pressed to figure out what was so wrong with the PT. The OT has just as many holes, but they are put on a pedestal as being superior to the prequels.
1. I would watch the film for as long as it took. Given that it would actually have to be somewhat good as well. 2. And that's just it, days of writing. He had years to work on it. So what if the tech wasn't there yet. You don't need that if you're waiting for it to be good enough for whatever story you come up with. 3. I think that I could, because I wouldn't be making room for a glorified go-kart race, a ridiculous space battle scene, et cetera et cetera. 5. It isn't that hard at all, and yes the OT is on a pedestal, but it is superior, and it doesn't have nearly that many flaws. It couldn't come that close even if GL tried to ruin it more than he already has with the SEs.
Why do we oppose war only in times of war? Most people in these forums would answer, "because war is bad". Ok. Why? "Because I don't think there's enough of a background story behind it." The SW saga isn't full of holes because of shoddy writing skills, it's full of holes to keep you guessing. To make you think... what if? It's excellent story-telling.
I would oppose war for whenever it is used to promote injustice, oppression, et cetera. And that is for whether it is occuring at the time or not. Having holes to keep us guessing are good to have while you're watching the film, not after it. That's shody story-telling.

To conclude, I own a copy of Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samuria. It is in black and white. It is subtitled. Furthermore, the sound on it does not work. Which saddens me because it had an award winning musical score and I wasn't able to get ahold of another copy. This film completely blows the PT out of the water without even trying.

This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 06 March 2006 - 09:46 PM

[barend]

There may be only three books of the LOTR series... what about other J.R. Tolkien novels?

if you made a film or film series of 'the hobbit', or 'the silmarillion' they would not be LOTR films...
they'd be related but you wouldn't call them LOTR. that name applied to three parts of the story about the lord of the rings, where as the other books cover other territory.

They could've at least translated HERO from Chinese. Especially when a lot of Americans don't speak more than one language (or understand more than one).

becuase america is the center of the universe... if anyone in the wolrd makes a film, they should make it for american audiences.... is that what you're saying?

well call up china, and tell them to appologise for speaking cantonese and manderine and other dialecs for the last few millenia...

The Ewoks interrupted a long awaited confrontation with a ridiculous premise. What ridiculous premise could that be? I know you think the PT's full of them, but you're referring to the OT. Or are you?

Return of the jedi.
little furry creatures defeating the storm troopers was just silly.

especially after waiting so long (my whole life at the time) to see luke and vader fighting...

And if you think Big Trouble in Little China is a superior movie by any means, why is it in the $5 DVD section at Wal-Mart? Why is it usually sitting on the same shelf with Gigli, or Master Of Disguise?

oh, again with the majority rule... the dumb fuckwits who make the majority don't want it so it must be shit... nice. why is a stupid ass show like 'survivor' on prime time while 'duckman' is on a 11:30pm?

why is some stupid jock a millionare when a somewhere there's a genius serving fries to get himself through college...

That's the worst fucking argument i've ever heard and you should be ashamed of yourself for taking such a lame angle...

If it isn't a mundane detail, then why do so many people have trouble seeing that the two characters are friends in the first place?

because it's treated like a 'mundale detail' when it warrents more.

The PT may have its faults, but the OT does, too. Hayden Christenson has ended his own career. He's not even acting in any more films. That's not Lucas' fault, it's Hayden's choice. If I remember right, he's getting involved in architecture.

he doesn't want to be in any more films after his last experience.

After people slammed TPM, is it any wonder why Lucas might be in a rush to get to post-production on the last two episodes?.

yes it is... you'd think he'd try a little harder to do it right after that.

He has always left intriguing bits in complete ambiguity, even in the OT. I agree that Padme's death should have been explained more thorough, but I think it was because she loved Anakin so much that when he turned to the dark side, she decided through her own will that she had nothing left to live for. She had already decided that when she found out Anakin had turned. She even said, "You're going down a path that I can't follow". Nonetheless, it should have been explained better, but Lucas never fully explains everything to the highest extent. There is a reason for everything to happen, but some things are better left unsaid. Maybe Lucas is going to explain Padme's death in the TV series, but it will still be something that you will have to read between the lines to understand. Why does Leia remember her mother in ROTJ? I'm sure something will be released to explain it. Otherwise, it's because Lucas is tired of people bashing his films and asking questions such as this. Somebody will explain it. Eventually. Have patience.

it's not up to the goddamned TV series... he had three damn films to do it...

and even then.. we know why she died... because lucas was too lazy to figure something out, and had already said that she dies when liea was young... (of course ehy liea remembers her at all is now bullshit) - he couldn't even remember his own material...

so lame.

someone WILL explain it and lucas will nod his head... then somewhere down the track he''l call them a liar.

[Jejef Thgaron]

becuase america is the center of the universe... if anyone in the wolrd makes a film, they should make it for american audiences.... is that what you're saying?
well call up china, and tell them to appologise for speaking cantonese and manderine and other dialecs for the last few millenia...

So, is it fair for American directors to cater to non-English speaking audiences by translating to Chinese, or Japanese? Everyone else translates movies to other languages, why couldn't they translate this one? It would have been better had I understood what was going on.

Return of the jedi.
little furry creatures defeating the storm troopers was just silly.

Agreed. But this is in the OT, remember?

oh, again with the majority rule... the dumb fuckwits who make the majority don't want it so it must be shit... nice. why is a stupid ass show like 'survivor' on prime time while 'duckman' is on a 11:30pm?
why is some stupid jock a millionare when a somewhere there's a genius serving fries to get himself through college...
That's the worst fucking argument i've ever heard and you should be ashamed of yourself for taking such a lame angle...

I wasn't implying the majority rule. I liked Big Trouble In Little China... when I was 10. It looks immature by today's standards. It was a B movie, wasn't it?

because it's treated like a 'mundale detail' when it warrents more.

And the actual Clone Wars don't warrant more detail?

he doesn't want to be in any more films after his last experience.

He was in one other film after ROTS... can't remember the name of it, but he played a medieval knight.

yes it is... you'd think he'd try a little harder to do it right after that.
it's not up to the goddamned TV series... he had three damn films to do it...
and even then.. we know why she died... because lucas was too lazy to figure something out, and had already said that she dies when liea was young... (of course ehy liea remembers her at all is now bullshit) - he couldn't even remember his own material...

So, is Leia talking about Padme or Queen Breha of Alderaan?

Maybe Lucas should have made Episode V - VIII first and made a prequel quadrilogy to come before it. That would give him an ample time frame to show the bulk of the Clone Wars, as well as Luke's Jedi training. Hindsight's always 20/20.

someone WILL explain it and lucas will nod his head... then somewhere down the track he''l call them a liar.

Maybe so... do you think it's because if Lucas doesn't like the way it's explained he'll change it? It is his creation after all.

[barend]

1. subtitles. learn to read.
2. yeah, it's the OT... what's your point.
3. BTILC was an awsome film... B, C, or A... it rocks.
the PT are Z grade with just more money to try and spackle it.)
4. yes... the clone wars deserved more time too... too bad the pod race and ani talking about angles was more important... or all that medichlorian crap. and so a cartoon (that will no doubt later be redundefied) had to try to clean up that mess... which is just unnacceptable
5. you're thinking of orlando bloom
6. hinsight maybe 20/20... but sitting down to write material and events discussed in the most watched trilogy ever shouldn't be so fucking hard!!!
7. it's his creation.... but he can't keep recalling it and changing it. that's what editing is for... finish the film, sit down and see if you like the cut, mess with it till you like it, give it to the public...
don't come back 20 years and say... 'oooh oooh we couldn't do this back then... i wanna change i wanna change wah ha hwah, it's my movie i can do what i like....'

you're assignement has already been graded mr lucas, now sit the fuck down!!!

what's done is done! Mr.preservation of the past when it comes to other peoples films...

lucas thinks he's an exception, and anyone who says this 'it's his films to do with as he pleases' understnds NOTHING!!!!!

[Despondent]

Maybe Lucas should have made Episode V - VIII first and made a prequel quadrilogy to come before it.

Am I the only one who remembers when it was explained that ESB was dubbed Ep. V because it was part of a Twelve part movie series (which would wrap around the year 2000)?

[Jejef Thgaron]

1. subtitles. learn to read.

I did learn to read. I started learning to read when I was 2 years old. I don't want to read a movie. That's why we have these things made of paper called "books". They use words to make up sentences. Left to right. Front to back. Take Tylenol for any headaches, Mydol for any cramps.

2. yeah, it's the OT... what's your point.

I don't need a point anymore... you've already confirmed my point. What was yours again?

3. BTILC was an awsome film... B, C, or A... it rocks.
the PT are Z grade with just more money to try and spackle it.)

You probably have the full collection of Olsen Twins movies, too. Are they special editions?
How about Kazaam! with Shaq? Corky Romano?

4. yes... the clone wars deserved more time too... too bad the pod race and ani talking about angles was more important... or all that medichlorian crap. and so a cartoon (that will no doubt later be redundefied) had to try to clean up that mess... which is just unnacceptable

So, Lucas should have forgot about the main character scheme and gone with two movies full of nothing but what's going on in the rest of the galaxy? I agree... totally unacceptable. And how do you justify making two full movies containing nothing but fighting a war, while the main plot of the movies suffers? Need I mention these are prequels and they are limited to a 2 hour time frame each? Do you think you could write a better script that would depict a war going on in the background while concentrating on a very extensive list of main characters and their exploits? I seriously doubt it.

5. you're thinking of orlando bloom

Eh... no, I'm not. I know the difference between Orlando Bloom and Hayden Christenson.

6. hinsight maybe 20/20... but sitting down to write material and events discussed in the most watched trilogy ever shouldn't be so fucking hard!!!

Seriously, stop with the high and mighty attitude. You're no better than Lucas. Your fecal matter stinks just as bad as everyone elses'. Have you ever written a trilogy and then turned around nearly 20 years later and tried to write a prequel trilogy to it? I wouldn't believe you if you said yes. It's not as easy as it may seem.

7. it's his creation.... but he can't keep recalling it and changing it. that's what editing is for... finish the film, sit down and see if you like the cut, mess with it till you like it, give it to the public...
don't come back 20 years and say... 'oooh oooh we couldn't do this back then... i wanna change i wanna change wah ha hwah, it's my movie i can do what i like....'

While I don't agree with adding the SE crap, I will agree that it is Lucas' project. I write music, and if I don't feel like it is finished I will leave it alone for the time being. I will go back to it... sometimes a few years later and change something or omit something. It's the same way with painting, or writing a "book" (see above for this). If an artist feels his/her project is unfinished at the time of creation, it is the artists' right to go back and finish it. Just because some other people say, "I don't like this, you should change it in this aspect," doesn't mean Lucas has to bow down to the public and create his universe the way everyone else wants it to be.

lucas thinks he's an exception, and anyone who says this 'it's his films to do with as he pleases' understnds NOTHING!!!!!

Right. I understand absolutely nothing. I'm just a stupid musician/artist that understands nothing. Every artist is an exception to this rule because there is no rule. Therefore, there is no such thing as an exception to this rule because it doesn't exist. You as the viewer have the right to critique a piece of art, but you don't have the right to change it if it isn't yours to begin with. Why is Lucas only an exception? Anybody? Oh, oh, I know why! It's because you don't understand the principle behind a work of art. Lucas created it. He owns it. Why couldn't he do with it as he pleases? It's his. It's not yours, and it never was yours. If you don't like the movies, I don't see why you're so enamored with this whole, "We should be able to have some kind of say so before someone changes their own work" ideology. It's not yours to change. Get over it. If you have the actual editor's reel in your possession, it still isn't yours. Lucas created it and he will always be the creator of it. In no way, shape, or form will you ever be in control of what Lucas does to his own creation. That's the sad truth to this whole matter. Welcome to reality. Watch your step as you come on board.

"If what I am saying doesn't make sense, it is because sense is not something that can be made. It is something that must be sensed, and I, for one am insensed by all of this complacency." - King Missile

[Jejef Thgaron]

Am I the only one who remembers when it was explained that ESB was dubbed Ep. V because it was part of a Twelve part movie series (which would wrap around the year 2000)?

I'm saying what if they were quadrilogies instead of trilogies. Quad meaning 4. I realize ESB is Episode V. What if GL started with Episode V and dubbed it ANH and gave Episode VI the moniker ESB. That way, Lucas could've made an Episode VII Time To Make The Second Death Star and an Episode VIII Return Of The Jedi (Now that I've had a full movie's length to receive Jedi training) and then 20 years later he could have made Episodes I,II,III, and IV and Episode IV could've been called ROTS and then Episode I would be TPM, Episode II would be The Clone Army, Episode III would be The Clone Wars, which would make Episode IX called Revenge of the Boba Fett, X called The New Jedi Order and Similiar Stuff That Would Be Considered New, Too, XI called Anakin Solo: What An Original Name, and XII called From A Certain Point Of View, and... and... you know what... nevermind.

[Gobbler]

I'm sorry for not going into detail because the lack of structure in your texts tends to make me see weird things. So please, use the 'enter'-key a little more often, I'm tired enough from scanning through RFCs alone.

Why couldn't he do with it as he pleases? It's his. It's not yours, and it never was yours.

In fact, this was the only thing my eye could/wanted to catch. And it's nonsense. You're not making art because you're an egoistic arsehole - or at least you shouldn't. Especially not in the film industry. And especially not when you're depending on the fans that so happen to like the universe you've created.
What Mister Lucas was trying to do, was to tell this little story he had. Tell. To us. For the sake of telling it or showing off or just making money with it - doesn't matter. Thus, it somehow belongs to the audience as well.

Sorry for the interruption.

[Sailor Abbey]

I'm sorry for not going into detail because the lack of structure in your texts tends to make me see weird things. So please, use the 'enter'-key a little more often, I'm tired enough from scanning through RFCs alone.

Oh my god I thought it was just me.

[CowboyCurtis]

Right. I understand absolutely nothing. I'm just a stupid musician/artist that understands nothing. Every artist is an exception to this rule because there is no rule. Therefore, there is no such thing as an exception to this rule because it doesn't exist. You as the viewer have the right to critique a piece of art, but you don't have the right to change it if it isn't yours to begin with. Why is Lucas only an exception? Anybody? Oh, oh, I know why! It's because you don't understand the principle behind a work of art. Lucas created it. He owns it. Why couldn't he do with it as he pleases? It's his. It's not yours, and it never was yours. If you don't like the movies, I don't see why you're so enamored with this whole, "We should be able to have some kind of say so before someone changes their own work" ideology. It's not yours to change. Get over it. If you have the actual editor's reel in your possession, it still isn't yours. Lucas created it and he will always be the creator of it. In no way, shape, or form will you ever be in control of what Lucas does to his own creation. That's the sad truth to this whole matter. Welcome to reality. Watch your step as you come on board.


Okay, we're going to have to clarify some things to make sense of all this.

Yes, Lucas made these films. Yes, they are legally HIS. The true question is what he made it for. His purpose. His motive. His intent... and that would be MONEY. He made these movies so that appeal to a targeted audience. He did NOT make these films for the sake of art despite what he says. In fact, his most recent comments about the COST of making a film nowadays is cost prohibitive when the returns are so low. That doesn't sound like an "artist" to me. That sounds like a businessman. Lucas to say anything else is completely disingenuous. So, in effect, he Lucas made films to capitalize on a mass audience. In order to capitalize audience, what do you need to do---you need to make the best product you can in order to sell it. George Lucas did not make the best product he could and it's not compatible with the previous ones he made. People would be all over Gates for making a similar mistake.

Ergo, the film is "ours." It was meant for us. Now because Lucas comes under fire by bashers like us, and he feels the sting because he suddenly becomes "Lucas the artist." "I made these movies for me." Bullshit. You mean, Lucas' intent was to make these multi-million dollar films so he can sit in his personal theater and watch them? I say to you again Bullshit.

So, it's not "art" in the sense of art you deem it, or Lucas deems it. It is commercialism. Pure and simple. The fact that the original Star Wars appealed to a broader audience is amazing. The fact that Lucas could not be honest to his original films today is disappointing.

So, in effect, yes, you do not understand.