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Abortion Scrambling Babies for a Better Tomorrow

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 05:23 PM

hahahahaha, see? a baby might still be a life, but it has no idea if it's dead. just because you feel bad to kill it doesn't make a difference. (It would probably be easier to see my point if you were atheist.) (btw, I'm still neutral.)
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 06:07 PM

Zatoichi on: Having a child/children to experience full meaning in your life.

Yes, that is what it takes to complete a full and meaningfull life, but it is not all of it. Plus you miss out on all of the arguments. For others, think of it this way, raising children is your way of helping to improve the world where you left off (if you did anything positive at all)

Zatoichi on: Using protection

The equation is simple, if you shouldn't be having a child, don't. If you want to have sex while you shouldn't be having a child, use protection.

Zatoichi on: Pre-marital sex

Go on ahead. I'm a pretty religious guy, and even I don't see the point of not doing it (Wouldn't your first time having sex after you've married totally suck if you didn't). I think the idea of not having pre-marital sex stems from biblical times. What God was going for was probably don't cheat on your husband or wife (stupid Jews, who could have multiple significant others and concubines by the way). A good term for this was adultery which is having sex out of wedlock (stupid translation and simplification). My only other advice is to have sex with someone you love. From what I've heard, you don't know what sex is till you do that.

Zatoichi on: Abortion

Fuck no! The only instance I would excuse is if not having the abortion would definately kill the mother. Of course, since this isn't my version of the world I will not stick to this stament very often. I think it is wrong (almost) no matter what, but I have to give slack because of the present situation of our world. Still, I consider it the easy way out of what was probably a mistake on the couple's fault

Zatoichi on: Adoption

Good for mankind. Teenagers usually don't get adopted though. sad.gif

Zatoichi on: Sending them to homes instead of abortion

Maybe my opinion stems from misinformation, but fuck that option.

Zatoichi on: My significant other wishing to have an abortion

Fuck you! I don't care if it is my child or not, I will raise it myself (not in my present situation though, this is for when I am wealthy). It may be her body, but it is my right too. It takes two to tengo (in this case sperm and an egg) not one.

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Zatoichi on: What the situation would be like, if it was in my perfect world

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 06:11 PM

While I do not totally agree with what you said, I must admire how intelligently you said it. For this, I support you.
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Oct 25 2005, 11:03 PM)
I say its a womans moral decision, noone else's.


that's great...

so if the father can't afford to raise the baby, the girls allowed to say, 'fuck ya! i'm having it anyway'

if the father wants the child, the girl can again say, 'nope.'

seriously... assuming the guy want's all these things...
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you become a couple
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you have sex on any occasion
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you get married
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you have a kid
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you stay a couple
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not she runs off with a pool repair man and makes you pay her 70% of your income for the rest of your life.

hmmm... what are the guys responsibilities...?
paying for engagement rings, wedding rings, supplying contraseptives, and if your lucky you get to name the kid... (if you have it)


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Posted 26 October 2005 - 10:00 PM

Exactly. mellow.gif
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 10:18 PM

I too think men should have abortions. If the girl has the baby and the guy was against it, then he should be free of all the payments. He could pay them if he wanted too, but the girl should not be able to use the law as a means of forcing him to cough up monthly cheques.

I really don't know where to stand on the issue any more. I think maybe it will curve population growth, in first world countries, but it's not like 1st world countries are the ones that are over populated.

Canada's population would drop if not for immigration. People don't have kids up here any more.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:07 AM

it's the US who shouldn't be having kids anymore...

Canada needs to get some spanish fly happening...
esp. because canadian chicks are hot!

if you need any help boosting the numbers gives us a call...
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 01:20 AM

I know it's embarrising. It's like the men here are shooting blanks. Many people are choosing common law over marriage and abortions.

Common law up here is like being married. I think.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 03:43 AM

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Having a child/children to experience full meaning in your life: Yes, that is what it takes to complete a full and meaningfull life

You can't tell me what it takes for me to lead a meaningful life. I am an individual with my own goals, values, dreams, ideals. Maybe it's part of what you need, but not me. Given that and your "Fuck you!" comment, I daresay I'm more than a trifle offended. But I'ma give you the benefit of the doubt and figure it wasn't intentional and I've mostly misread you and go to sleep now.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 09:13 AM

Yeah, you may want to try reading it again when you are not tired. I put down that having a child completes it, but there is still everything else that you have done in your life. Therefore what I really said was that you should try to live a full life.

The "Fuck You" comment was directed at an imaginary person. It was my significant other deciding to have an abortion. I probably wouldn't be able to do what I said unless I had the money though.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 09:26 AM

Being a christian, I believe that the body develops a soul the moment of conception. But abortion makes me wonder: what happens to the soul? It couldn't go to heaven or hell, seeing as how all it's been doing is floating around in a uterus all it's life, and probably doesn't even know what either one is. This is just a theory, but I'm guessing the soul inhabits a new fetus, one that'll be born. It's kinda stupid I know.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:02 PM

Why can't it inhabit a newly conceived fetus then? And what exactly does a soul do in a fetus? Just wait around for its body to grow to the point where it will be able to act with it instead of being overridden by instincts?
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 04:55 PM

The optimistic Christian belief is that the spirit is created once the child is conceived--what it does there, who knows. But if the child dies or is aborted, the spirit does get to go to Heaven, because it was too young to understand the salvation plan and make the decision to accept or deny God, blah blah. But many Christians believe that until a person makes that decision to accept God, they are hell-bound, no matter what. That's why, to them, it's such a horrible thing to abort a baby--because you're sending it to hell before it could ever have the chance to get itself into Heaven.

Slade, I believe what Stan means by "soul" is "spirit." The "soul" is the mind, the thinking part of a human. The "spirit" is the part of the human that (the general belief is) goes to the "afterlife," but doesn't really do much during life on Earth except "hear from the Holy Spirit," and other other-worldy, spiritual things that you pretty much only believe in if you are religious or spiritual... So I guess whenever the spirit is created, it kinda just is there no matter when it's put there. tongue.gif

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 06:35 PM

Aye, that's the trouble with clashing ideas of the innerworkings with the universe.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 07:23 PM

it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you become a couple

No it isn't. The girl has some say in it, obviously, but it's not only her choice. It's pretty hard to drag someone kicking and screaming on a date without being arrested.

it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you have sex on any occasion

Not really, no. Again, the girl has some say, but not all. In fact, that just about applies to all of this.
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you get married
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you have a kid

All right, I'll give you this one. Under the right circumstances.
it's the girls choice, and no one elses, as to weather or not you stay a couple

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