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Posted 28 October 2005 - 01:10 AM

Iranian president wants Israel and everything in it to be dead. It goes without saying that every other Arab nation feels the same way. Israel should have took out their Arab neighbours during the 6 day war when they had the oppurtunity to do so.

Why is it that the US can attack a country for maybe (probably not) crashing two planes into their buldings, but if Israel responds to Palestinian attacks, it's seen as war mongering?

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Posted 28 October 2005 - 05:13 AM

The US has VETO, power and nuclear weapons. It's very simple.

I don't feel much sympathy for the Israelians, imagine if a Cherokee came to your house and asked you to go piss off because his people used to live there and now he was going to. Lame.
Isrealians haven't exactly been very nice to the people that lived there before they got planted. People get dragged out of hospitals while bleeding and in serious need of medical attention, if they're Palestinian. I wouldn't even call it warmongering. I'd call it Sadism and oppression.
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 05:42 AM

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Posted 28 October 2005 - 09:56 AM

For creating the problem in the first place, it's the fault of the French and the British. At the end of WWII, the Jews were asking for a nation to call their own. These two countries picked Palestine (formerly Israel), and without the consent of the people living there, placed the Jews in power. Since then many wars have occurred between Israel and other countries around it. With assistance from the US for most of them they won every single one, and gained more territory as well. Besides the differing of faiths and the US backing, this is another reason why Israel is disliked. It is because of territory lost to Israel in war.

As for the Palestinians, they have good reasons for disliking the Jews. Initially they were placed under the rule of the Jews without their consent. Since then, they have treated the Palestinians like shit. Their leaders say it is in the interest of keeping their people safe from terrorist attacks, but they treat them like shit anyways. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that most Palestinians live in concentration and refugee camps. Both of which are attacked by Israeli forces from time to time. The Israeli leaders have the power to put an end to the fighting, but they choose not to do so because they would have to give up some of their own power.
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Posted 28 October 2005 - 03:29 PM

Jordan: The Isralis should have taken themselves out during the 6 day war and gave the land they pressured the UN to steal from the Palestinians back.

This has already been discussed to death, but I don't remember the topic it's on at the moment. Possibly one of the JM vs. Renny ones...

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 12:09 AM

QUOTE (Slade @ Oct 28 2005, 04:29 PM)
Jordan: The Isralis should have taken themselves out during the 6 day war and


Aha ha ha ha ha! Who has a spelling error now.

Muwahahahaha!

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 01:25 AM

I agree with the president of Iran and many of the people in the middle east. I would be willing to accept a country living in peace with its RIGHTFUL population and its neighbors, but to live in peace with Israel is only a nice word for taking it up the ass. If the Zionist Entity allowed the return of refugees and ceased invading more Palestinian land than it already has, if they stopped their aspirations for WMD, and if they ceased torture and kidnapping and assassinations, I believe they would have the right to exist. Until then I fully support the jyhad against the Zionist Entity.

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 01:38 AM

So you think Jew's should have no homeland? It seems to be that all the violence comes from the Arabs, and the moment Israel attacks back they get pinned as the fire starters.

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 04:16 AM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Oct 29 2005, 01:25 AM)
I agree with the president of Iran and many of the people in the middle east. I would be willing to accept a country living in peace with its RIGHTFUL population and its neighbors, but to live in peace with Israel is only a nice word for taking it up the ass. If the Zionist Entity allowed the return of refugees and ceased invading more Palestinian land than it already has, if they stopped their aspirations for WMD, and if they ceased torture and kidnapping and assassinations, I believe they would have the right to exist. Until then I fully support the jyhad against the Zionist Entity.

No you wouldn't, you'd only cease whining when they gave up the entire country (or atleast virtually all of it) as such you've said elsewhere..

PS- I'll agree with the president of Iran when he isn't a complete radical conservative who won on the back of an "election" that was borked.

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 04:17 AM

QUOTE (Slade @ Oct 28 2005, 03:29 PM)
Jordan: The Isralis should have taken themselves out during the 6 day war and gave the land they pressured the UN to steal from the Palestinians back.

This has already been discussed to death, but I don't remember the topic it's on at the moment. Possibly one of the JM vs. Renny ones...


The jews didn't pressure the UN to do nething, well atleast not when the original partition happened. They got it because the UN wanted em to have it.
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Posted 29 October 2005 - 07:54 AM

Why don't we like, just give the gypsies their own land in the middle of France?

And how about the Native Americans, we should totally give them Texas and kick all those other Texicans out to the other states.
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Posted 29 October 2005 - 12:26 PM

Read your history (not propaganda), Renny. The european powers controlling the Middle East had been under militant pressure from the Zionists to give them Palestine since the early 1900s.

Either way, the UN had no right to take a country that was under axis control and do what ever they wanted to it, ignoring the people that had been living there for two thousand years or so.

Icey: Not the Native Americans, the Mexicans.

This is absurd and repetative and I'm not discussing it here anymore. It's been stomped into the ground already enough for me.
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Posted 29 October 2005 - 06:35 PM

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Read your history (not propaganda), Renny. The european powers controlling the Middle East had been under militant pressure from the Zionists to give them Palestine since the early 1900s.

Either way, the UN had no right to take a country that was under axis control and do what ever they wanted to it, ignoring the people that had been living there for two thousand years or so.

If by militant you mean a small small minority population in Palestine that controlled nothing and had no means of actually usurping arab power than i suppose so.

As for the UN, the only thing they did wrong was giving Israel more land then they should of gotten. But eitherway, its in the past now, and the case can still be made that Arab support of Hitler in WWII as well as the context of the time towards Jews around the world, it wasn't ridiculous to give them a country. Eitherway, I'm ok with PALESTINIANS being mad at Israel and fighting them, I just don't like other Arab countries being anti Israel considering most of them took what they could get from Palestine too and are equally to blame for the problem too, not to mention they still use that issue as a scapegoat to their own countries issues which are completely unrelated to Israel.
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Posted 29 October 2005 - 10:13 PM

Jordan- Overt violence comes from the Arabs, sure, but look at the covert violence of the Zionist Entity. They committed legal genocide by ejecting millions of Palestinians from within the land they stole. They routinely fire bombs and missiles onto crowded streets from their helicopters high above in hopes of murderiong courageous freedom fighters, not caring if they blow up a whole street of people to kill one man. For every great strike by the freedom fighters the Zionists commit greater acts of murder on civilian populations. The Palestinians fight back in whatever way they can because they have no choice, and their holy war has and always will have my unwavering support.

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Well, as long as an informed council gives it away I suppose the natives just have to lay down and accept it...

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As for your comments about other countries getting involved, I'm glad to see Arab unity, which is, as I'm sure you know, terribly feared by the Zionists and their imperialist masters. Bin Laden has used the Zionists as a recruitment tool and formed a pan-arab organization. Saddam did as well and gave much support to the freedom fighters of Hamas. Iran favors Hizballah, which is a group I don't support as much as Hamas, but they still have the right idea (destroy the Zionist Entity)

In that context, since Iran supports Hizballah, they have a right to talk, since they are involved in funding attacks that, let us hope, will kill occupation storm troopers of the Zionist Entity. Palestine was mistreated by its neighbors in the past, but now the Arab world is uniting, and I hope to see this continue until they grow strong enough together to destroy the Zionist Entity and shrug off all appostate governments and imperialist meddling.

The Palestinian cause has become a great flag for all Arabs, a symbolic struggle, and it cannot but end in victory. It took the Vietnamese half a century to be free of imperialism that was not so thoroughly entrenched as the Zionists. The Palestinians will no doubt need longer, but I am certain that within my lifetime Palestine will be free and the Zionists will either learn to behave less like the man who killed so many of their people in Europe, or they will be destroyed.

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 10:52 PM

It's cute, but I don't want his house. I have my own, thank you. I would like my dorm room back though... Never did find those boards with nails in them, did you?

And to be fair, suicide bombers take out civilians too.

On non Palestinians getting pissed off, I'm kinda on the edge... On the one hand, Israel is a potential threat to all of its neighbors. On the other hand, countries that have no quarrel with Israel except that they exist shouldn't really get involved unless it's made their business in some way.

(Yay for no Israel/Palestine crap right now!)

Edit: And inciting national hatred to recruit people is dispicable, regardless of who you're fighting.

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