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Posted 20 March 2006 - 05:14 PM

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then i think you should add the people who wrote 'Where's Waldo?', the 1993 Elle McPhearson Calander, and 'Give Way' traffic sign.


I personally found the "Where's Waldo" line of graphic novels to be sublime, yet tastefully not roccoco. The contrapuntal rhythmic inversions of the "Give Way" traffic sign are subtly complex and concordantly coherent, vis-a-vis, the simplicity speaks to the complexity of the life of a traversing vagabond. Ergo, the 1993 Elle McPherson Calendar is the pinnacle of the success of a supermodel who... eh, who am I kidding... she's a supermodel.
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Posted 20 March 2006 - 11:51 PM

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE (Cosmic Underwear @ Sep 28 2005, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lucas has always used visuals to tell the story. See no one tells you that Darth Vader's ship in E4 is a long range fighter that is capable of deep space travel. You're just supposed to see it in how his ship looks different from the other TIEs. Notice Vader's ship has a larger body and has four engines instead of just two, and that's how he is able to survive the long journey.

Lucas tells the audience that the Jedi are corrupt in E3 with visuals. Notice in E1 and E2 that the floor of the Jedi Council chamber is spotless but in E3 it's filthy. So what's the deal here? Do you think the Jedi fired the cleaning crew or is Lucas using symbolism? If they fired the cleaning crew, then how come the rest of the Jedi Temple is spotless?


You know Lucas has stated several times this are children's movies don't you?
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Gerhard @ Apr 1 2006, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know Lucas has stated several times this are children's movies don't you?


Right. And Looney Tunes are entirely innocent. rolleyes.gif

Ah, yes... the golden age of children's cartoons...

Daffy Duck's on crack. Elmer Fudd's on Prozak. Bugs Bunny's ambiguously homosexual (No offense to the lesbian/gay community)... maybe androgynous is a better term. Speedy Gonzalez is a racial stereotype. Porky Pig makes fun of people with stuttering problems... so does Foghorn Leghorn. Yosemite Sam is a violent gunslinger.

Now, let's look at children's shows today...

Dora the Explorer? Bob the Builder? Blue's Clues? Teletubbies? Pretty sugarcoated compared to the shows of yesteryear, don't ya think?

In this sugarcoated candy-ass day and age, don't you think Lucas should have replaced all lightsabers with Wiffle ball bats and all the blasters with Nerf foam dart guns? Yeah, they're children's movies. Whatever.

Should I mention ROTS was rated PG-13? They had a huge controversy over whether or not parents should bring their children to see ROTS... remember?

Children's movies, indeed.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 1 2006, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dora the Explorer? Bob the Builder? Blue's Clues? Teletubbies? Pretty sugarcoated compared to the shows of yesteryear, don't ya think?


Those shows are also pretty gay. No offence to the gay/lesbian community.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (Sailor Abbey @ Apr 1 2006, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those shows are also pretty gay. No offence to the gay/lesbian community.


Which video game would you rather let your kids play: Harry Potter or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas?

I think Harry Potter would be the lesser of the two evils, seeing as how it's lame.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 10:32 PM

Harry Potter because it supports witchcraft, AND Grand Theft Auto BECAUSE it supports prostitution.

But what the hell did that have to do with anything?
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 1 2006, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In this sugarcoated candy-ass day and age, don't you think Lucas should have replaced all lightsabers with Wiffle ball bats and all the blasters with Nerf foam dart guns? Yeah, they're children's movies. Whatever.


GL doesn't own the trademarks you cited. He CAN crank out as many Hasbro lightsabers as the discount rack will support, once the market has settled. You (and he) can bank on that.

"PG-13." OOOOoohhh. If he had real balls, he'd have gone the three-hour route.
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 06:37 AM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 2 2006, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right. And Looney Tunes are entirely innocent. rolleyes.gif

Ah, yes... the golden age of children's cartoons...

Daffy Duck's on crack. Elmer Fudd's on Prozak. Bugs Bunny's ambiguously homosexual (No offense to the lesbian/gay community)... maybe androgynous is a better term. Speedy Gonzalez is a racial stereotype. Porky Pig makes fun of people with stuttering problems... so does Foghorn Leghorn. Yosemite Sam is a violent gunslinger.

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Children's movies, indeed.


Children's=Teens. Not an adult (not as in porn) movie oriented
Spielberg has ET and AI, totally Children/Teen oriented movies, then he has Munich or Shindler's List definitely not children oriented and of a more serious and subtle themes.

The original ideia of Lucas was always a children's action adventure movie. That does not mean adults cannot enjoy this movies.
And I'm including the OT in this view, not just the PT.

However I do agree Lucas does like to play with visuals, but that does not necessarily means this or that, that is just your interpretation, which might change from person to person including Lucas, because I doubt someone who needs to invent something like the midiclorians to tell us that Anakin was the most powerful Jedi ever looses time with details like the floor is dirty to show the corruption that goes on with the persons that meet in that room. I just feel it to be very contradictory.

Regarding the PG-13 of ROTS, it's indeed a more dark movie than the others, but then again, TPM should be avoided by people older then 6 years of age.

Just my 2 cents.
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE (Gerhard @ Apr 2 2006, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Children's=Teens. Not an adult (not as in porn) movie oriented
Spielberg has ET and AI, totally Children/Teen oriented movies, then he has Munich or Shindler's List definitely not children oriented and of a more serious and subtle themes.

The original ideia of Lucas was always a children's action adventure movie. That does not mean adults cannot enjoy this movies.
And I'm including the OT in this view, not just the PT.

However I do agree Lucas does like to play with visuals, but that does not necessarily means this or that, that is just your interpretation, which might change from person to person including Lucas, because I doubt someone who needs to invent something like the midiclorians to tell us that Anakin was the most powerful Jedi ever looses time with details like the floor is dirty to show the corruption that goes on with the persons that meet in that room. I just feel it to be very contradictory.

Regarding the PG-13 of ROTS, it's indeed a more dark movie than the others, but then again, TPM should be avoided by people older then 6 years of age.

Just my 2 cents.


And here's mine...

Cartoons were created by adults, with adults in mind. Looney Tunes wasn't intended for children; I was being sarcastic. If you think it was spinach that Popeye was eating, you are naive. Rocky and Bullwinkle was a more 'mature' cartoon because it contained a lot of humor that children wouldn't have understood. My point is that Lucas didn't direct these movies at children, or teens. It was for a broad audience of all ages. If you're a 13 year old, do you really think you could understand the many facets of the entire 6 movie saga? People on this forum don't fully understand the movies, but they bitch and moan about every little thing they can find, so they can ultimately tell everyone that has any consistency questions that it's all because Lucas f***ed up, or that he's an idiot. You really can't sit there and blow smoke up my ass about how these movies were solely directed towards teenagers. The reason Lucas mentioned anything about children is because he wanted Star Wars to be "family oriented". There's a huge difference between children's movies, and family movies. One more thing... I never said the word 'porn', so I honestly don't know where you got that from. I didn't mean adult, as in XXX. I meant adult, as in more mature than teenagers. Get your mind out of the gutter. I don't think Lucas wanted to dumb these movies down to where teenagers could understand everything going on. I do think Lucas sugarcoats a lot, but not half as much as the P.C. crap they put out for kids these days.

QUOTE (Despondent @ Apr 1 2006, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GL doesn't own the trademarks you cited. He CAN crank out as many Hasbro lightsabers as the discount rack will support, once the market has settled. You (and he) can bank on that.

"PG-13." OOOOoohhh. If he had real balls, he'd have gone the three-hour route.


It's a good thing he doesn't own those trademarks, otherwise, the SW saga may have been watered down to the extent of being much like American beer. Who cares if he's making money off of Hasbro lightsabers. He has the right to.

Why would you want Lucas to go the three-hour route? So you have another hour and a half's worth of b.s. nitpicking and bitches to add on to the list? What the hell is that? Is that supposed to be an insult? "If you had more balls, George, you'd have gone the three-hour route on all your films, just so I can complain about twice as much."

Search your feelings, Despondent. You know it to be true.

QUOTE (Sailor Abbey @ Apr 1 2006, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Harry Potter because it supports witchcraft, AND Grand Theft Auto BECAUSE it supports prostitution.

But what the hell did that have to do with anything?


Um... EVERYTHING!!! Harry Potter supports witchcraft. Grand Theft Auto supports prostitution, killing sprees, running from police, blowing things up, and generally starting your own gang... which one would you choose for your children? In this case, Harry Potter is the lesser of two evils. If you pick GTA, you are hopeless. I can't help you.

It has to do with the dumbing-down of American society. I realize many people can't see the b.s. happening around them until it's too late. I'm really sorry you missed my point.
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 2 2006, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you're a 13 year old, do you really think you could understand the many facets of the entire 6 movie saga?


It probably wouldn’t be too hard.


QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 2 2006, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Um... EVERYTHING!!! Harry Potter supports witchcraft. Grand Theft Auto supports prostitution, killing sprees, running from police, blowing things up, and generally starting your own gang... which one would you choose for your children? In this case, Harry Potter is the lesser of two evils. If you pick GTA, you are hopeless. I can't help you.


Well since I'm a practicing witch I'm gonna go with Harry potter isnt an evil at all. And since I used to work in the adult entertainment industry, I'm gonna have to say that prostitution really isn’t all that bad. And since I live near Detroit, if I ever have kids, they will never be able to watch the news ever because there’s always killing sprees, people running from the police, blowing things up and generally lots of gangs being started everywhere you look.

I guess my kids are screwed eh?
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Apr 2 2006, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My point is that Lucas didn't direct these movies at children, or teens. It was for a broad audience of all ages. If you're a 13 year old, do you really think you could understand the many facets of the entire 6 movie saga? People on this forum don't fully understand the movies,


That's my favorite argument when someone says, "I did not like this movie" someone else says "you did no like because you did not understand it" implying that the guy did not like it is intellectually inferior to the other one.

You like the movies, that's fine, but don't call me dumb for not liking them. As I certainly don't find you intellectually superior because you enjoy The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

BTW When I was a kid Spinach was Spinach and it was the only vegetables I would eat. Popeye did it's role. If you think it's a critique to drugs or whatever your are implying that's your problem.

You did not say anything about porn, I just wrote "Adult (not as in porn)" it was not directed to you, relax man, stop trying to interpret everything done or written as there is anything hidden.
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 11:59 AM

Why would you want Lucas to go the three-hour route? So you have another hour and a half's worth of b.s. nitpicking and bitches to add on to the list? What the hell is that? Is that supposed to be an insult? "If you had more balls, George, you'd have gone the three-hour route on all your films, just so I can complain about twice as much."

Search your feelings, Despondent. You know it to be true.


He's in it for the money only was my point. You know, more screenings in a day to make more money? (Sure made a difference in the LOTR box rolleyes.gif ) And yes, maybe I'd of only seen it one time then, compared to twice.

Weren't cooler heads at LFL calling that it didn't need to be rushed so? However, I see your point:
Star Wars included a "damn" and "hell" here and there to give it a PG rating so's it wasn't perceived as a kid flick. Damn good thing it did.

You've been pandered to, Jejef. Search your own damn feelings.
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Sailor Abbey @ Apr 2 2006, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It probably wouldn’t be too hard.
Well since I'm a practicing witch I'm gonna go with Harry potter isnt an evil at all. And since I used to work in the adult entertainment industry, I'm gonna have to say that prostitution really isn’t all that bad. And since I live near Detroit, if I ever have kids, they will never be able to watch the news ever because there’s always killing sprees, people running from the police, blowing things up and generally lots of gangs being started everywhere you look.

I guess my kids are screwed eh?


My girlfriend is Wiccan, so I kinda see where you're coming from, but I digress... I'd rather my children played a game, or watched a movie that didn't have random violence and illegal activity, than for them to play a game or watch a movie that does. Your kids aren't screwed, as long as you raise them properly. I'm not saying they shouldn't know about sex, drugs, and violence... but there's a time and place for them to learn, and I don't think childhood is the proper time, or place.
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Gerhard @ Apr 2 2006, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's my favorite argument when someone says, "I did not like this movie" someone else says "you did no like because you did not understand it" implying that the guy did not like it is intellectually inferior to the other one.

You like the movies, that's fine, but don't call me dumb for not liking them. As I certainly don't find you intellectually superior because you enjoy The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

BTW When I was a kid Spinach was Spinach and it was the only vegetables I would eat. Popeye did it's role. If you think it's a critique to drugs or whatever your are implying that's your problem.

You did not say anything about porn, I just wrote "Adult (not as in porn)" it was not directed to you, relax man, stop trying to interpret everything done or written as there is anything hidden.


I never said you were dumb, or intellectually inferior. I never implied you were dumb, or intellectually inferior. I said you did not understand the movies. I didn't understand Lost Highway... that doesn't make me dumb, it just means I didn't know what the hell was going on because I only saw the movie once, and it didn't make sense to me. I don't understand advanced trigonometry. It doesn't make me dumb, it means I just don't get it. I don't claim to be smarter than anyone here. I am, however, under the assumption that most people don't understand the whole Star Wars saga from some of the "inconsistencies" and "nitpicks" that I've read. Many of these complaints are explained within the movies, and they are widely overlooked. Since nobody catches them, the movies are considered inferior by the majority of bashers. I'm not a gusher, either. I didn't like ROTJ, or TPM. ESB is my favorite SW movie. It is the bashers' opinions that make the entire OT look flawless... but there are just as many flaws in the OT as there are in the PT. So, what do they do? Call George Lucas an idiot, and proceed to insult the intelligence of anyone that liked the PT. I'm not smarter than you, I just have a greater understanding of Lucas' work.

Oh... and why did 'spinach' give Popeye abilities some would consider... unnatural?
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