[Spoon Poetic]

Bush = the Hitler of the 21st Century?

Extreme use of propaganda and the media. War-mongering. Declaring war on a people merely because of their race/religion. The suspension of several civil liberties. Throwing people into military prison with no charges filed, no trial, no access to a lawyer. Taking advantage of a tragedy for your own agenda (9/11 = Reichstag Fire)...

Finally, Guantanamo, where hundreds of Afghan combattants have been languishing in horrific conditions, is being turned into a concentration camp, and Bush has ordered the establishment of a kangaroo-court military tribunal assembly line that ends with a gas chamber and execution.

Of course, Hitler was a much better orator.

[Spoon Poetic]

Come now, discuss! Debate! I see you've looked - now respond!

[Renegade]

Bush = the Hitler of the 21st Century?

Extreme use of propaganda and the media.  War-mongering.  Declaring war on a people merely because of their race/religion.  The suspension of several civil liberties.  Throwing people into military prison with no charges filed, no trial, no access to a lawyer.  Taking advantage of a tragedy for your own agenda (9/11 = Reichstag Fire)...

Finally, Guantanamo, where hundreds of Afghan combattants have been languishing in horrific conditions, is being turned into a concentration camp, and Bush has ordered the establishment of a kangaroo-court military tribunal assembly line that ends with a gas chamber and execution.

Of course, Hitler was a much better orator.

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1) Every president uses "the media" and/or "propaganda" loosely defined as trying to get yourself elected.

2) It's not a war declared against a race/religion. It's a war against an idealogy(ies). Has nothing to do with race/religion.

3) Well the difference between 9/11 and Reichstag fire is that Bush didn't actually plan 9/11.. despite what michael moore might tell you.

4) Guantanamo is not the same as concentration camps or the holocaust. When 6 million arabs/muslims die as a result of mass murdering and starvation, then start making comparisons.

[Spoon Poetic]

Finally, someone replies... I was beginning to get afraid that everyone agreed with this shit...

Okay.

Maybe Bush isn't yet the Hitler we all think of immediately upon hearing (reading) the name. But Hitler was in power for many years before becoming this cruel dictator - the transformation to the Nazi Germany we loathe the memory of was a gradual one. Is it not possible that the Bush administration is just on its way to that place?

Another difference between Bush and Hitler is that Hitler was elected legally...

[civilian_number_two]

2) It's not a war declared against a race/religion. It's a war against an idealogy(ies). Has nothing to do with race/religion.

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Saudi Terrorists hijacked planes, so Bush declared war first on Afghanistan, then later on Iraq. It is not a war against an ideology, or he'd have moved in on the IRA as well, enemies of his only ally in the War on Terror. No, Bushco is running a War for Oil. And his enemy is Brown People, all of whom, including secular Saddam Hussein, he declares to be Islamic fundamentalists, and therefore terrorists, in league with Osama, who by the way has yet to be proven to be the orchestrator of the 9/11 attacks or the supplier of WMDs, Anthrax, or whatever else we're supposed to believe this likely-long-dead villain is behind.

I wouldn't say Bush is the Hitler of the 21st century, as that belittles Bush. He is much more powerful, more successful, and better supported. He will retire from office and write his memoirs, and will be remembered by many as a good Christian man who made difficult and unpopular decisions in troubled times. You had to work pretty hard in Germany in the 50s to find folks who still felt that way about Hitler.

[Otal Nimrodi]

Wasn't there something on The Daily Show about this? Oh, and it's good to see Renegade again, I haven't seen him in ages. Now, where is JM?

This post has been edited by Otal Nimrodi: 28 September 2005 - 02:49 PM

[Spoon Poetic]

Actually, Hitler was very, very strongly supported in Germany almost all throughout his dictatorship. It was not until the end of his reign and afterwards that the strong anti-Hitler sentiments began to emerge. And those who did not support Hitler did not oppose him, albeit out of fear, but still they supported him in their refusal to act against him.

And I'd say Hitler was pretty fucking powerful. Controlled most of Europe, neh?

[EwokHunter]

Hitler at least made the Volkswagen, Bush nothing, bush is more evil

[Slade]

Hitler never had popular support, he was only "elected" because he used brute force and was the only canidate that was allowed to run. He was appointed to a high position in government by the idiot at the head of Germany because the government was useless and Hitler seemed to get things done. Then he weaseled his way in until his was the only party in office and all opposition was stamped down.

Bush has an entire cabinet supporting him, too.

[Ninja Duck]

I've never seen a forum topic invoke Godwin's Law with the first post before.

[Otal Nimrodi]

But honestly, not even something from Hannibal?

This post has been edited by Otal Nimrodi: 28 September 2005 - 07:30 PM

[Slade]

I think it would be more accurate to compare the acts of the current presidential administration with the practice of general fascism than Bush to Hitler.

But yeah, there are a billion and one of these topics already, I think the board's grown quite weary of them.

[Spoon Poetic]

Slade: Hitler had MASSIVE popular support. That's why von Hindenburg's administration gave him a position in the first place.

Oh yeah - that bit about "Godwin's Law..." When half the country and most of Western Europe is comparing Bush to Hitler in the first place, can't we set that rule aside? I just want to know everyone's view on it.




--Side Note: Yes, I'm a n00b. No, I won't always debate on what side I really believe in. It's more challenging/fun that way. So don't take me at face value all the time.

This post has been edited by Spoon Poetic: 28 September 2005 - 09:07 PM

[Zatoichi]

I wouldn't say Bush is the Hitler of the 21st century, as that belittles Bush.  He is much more powerful, more successful, and better supported.  He will retire from office and write his memoirs, and will be remembered by many as a good Christian man who made difficult and unpopular decisions in troubled times.  You had to work pretty hard in Germany in the 50s to find folks who still felt that way about Hitler.

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I'm just waiting for someone to off the bastard and his cohorts, then again they'd probably attain martyrdom. That would just plain ruin it. Obviously it's a no win situation.

edit: Maybe I'm just being silly

This post has been edited by Zatoichi: 28 September 2005 - 09:14 PM

[floppydisk]

Oh yeah - that bit about "Godwin's Law..."  When half the country and most of Western Europe is comparing Bush to Hitler in the first place, can't we set that rule aside?  I just want to know everyone's view on it.

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Guy's corollary
    If a Usenet discussion mentions Godwin's law as a conterrebuttal to a mention of Hitler/Nazis, then the probability of Godwin's law being disputed is equal to 1.

Bwhahahahaha!

This post has been edited by floppydisk: 28 September 2005 - 09:59 PM