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Posted 25 August 2005 - 05:22 PM

With great fanfare the Boba Fett lines we're redubbed by Temuera Morrison in the OT DVD release for the sake of continuity which was keeping us all awake at night. Why then were not the stormtrooper speaking parts redubbed as well, since they are all supposedly all from Jango Fett in the first place?

Any chances we'll see a Pre-prequel Trilogy explaining the origins of Jango and how he suposedly became so good he was asked to lend material for legions of his clones to be made?
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Posted 25 August 2005 - 06:00 PM

A prequel for the prequels?

Hell no.
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Posted 25 August 2005 - 06:19 PM

Why is it more important for Lucas that the OT fits with the prequels, rather than the prequels fitting with the OT?
It seems like everyone is over the nitpicking. Too bad.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 07:45 AM

[fanboy] Because obviously new is better than old, and God... I mean George Lucas' PT is better than the OT. I would heartily endorse a PTPT. [/fanboy]
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE (georgelucas4greedo @ Aug 25 2005, 06:19 PM)
Why is it more important for Lucas that the OT fits with the prequels, rather than the prequels fitting with the OT?

My hypothesis is that Lucas got a little unhinged after the release of Phantom Menace. The hype was tremendous, with much flattering journalism about the return of Lucas, the creator of a modern myth. Phantom Menace was going to be special, as timeless a film as the original Star Wars movies.

Instead it was just another summer blockbuster. It made a load of money but also spurred a lot of criticism, some of which (mostly to do with the racial caricature evident in Lucas's portrayal of the Trade Federation bad guys and possibly of Jar Jar) even made it into the mainstream press. And there was plenty of unfavourable comparison to the original movies, as well all know. shifty.gif

I suspect that Lucas sincerely believed of Phantom Menace that his work had never been better and that he would be hailed as a creative genius. When he wasn't and was instead greeted with criticism and scorn, I think Lucas took it badly. People were pointing at him and saying, in essence, "What the hell happened to the guy that made Star Wars?" I think then his heart hardened against his original movies; he blamed them for obscuring the genius of his newest masterpiece. That's when he started making defensive comments about the prequels and contemplating further mangling the original movies, all the while claiming that his true "vision" demanded it.

I think Lucas knows in his heart of hearts that he's now a mediocrity and that his prequel movies will never win the sort of praise he wanted. They're going to go down as reasonably entertaining action movies with lots of computer graphics, overshadowed not merely by the original Star Wars movies but by a certain other trilogy of action movies that came out around the same time. As long as he knows this he's going to take it out on his old creations. Lucas needs to do everything possible to convince himself that it's his new movies, not his old ones, that are his true legacy and magna opera; if that means altering the OT beyond recognition and destroying history then, dammit, that's what he has to do.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 03:29 PM

QUOTE (ernesttomlinson @ Aug 26 2005, 02:13 PM)
My hypothesis is that Lucas got a little unhinged after the release of Phantom Menace.  The hype was tremendous, with much flattering journalism about the return of Lucas, the creator of a modern myth.  Phantom Menace was going to be special, as timeless a film as the original Star Wars movies.

Instead it was just another summer blockbuster.  It made a load of money but also spurred a lot of criticism, some of which (mostly to do with the racial caricature evident in Lucas's portrayal of the Trade Federation bad guys and possibly of Jar Jar) even made it into the mainstream press.  And there was plenty of unfavourable comparison to the original movies, as well all know.  shifty.gif

I suspect that Lucas sincerely believed of Phantom Menace that his work had never been better and that he would be hailed as a creative genius.  When he wasn't and was instead greeted with criticism and scorn, I think Lucas took it badly.  People were pointing at him and saying, in essence, "What the hell happened to the guy that made Star Wars?"  I think then his heart hardened against his original movies; he blamed them for obscuring the genius of his newest masterpiece.  That's when he started making defensive comments about the prequels and contemplating further mangling the original movies, all the while claiming that his true "vision" demanded it.

I think Lucas knows in his heart of hearts that he's now a mediocrity and that his prequel movies will never win the sort of praise he wanted.  They're going to go down as reasonably entertaining action movies with lots of computer graphics, overshadowed not merely by the original Star Wars movies but by a certain other trilogy of action movies that came out around the same time.  As long as he knows this he's going to take it out on his old creations.  Lucas needs to do everything possible to convince himself that it's his new movies, not his old ones, that are his true legacy and magna opera; if that means altering the OT beyond recognition and destroying history then, dammit, that's what he has to do.


Excellent post. That could very well be the psychology of George.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 03:53 PM

I'm not going to contradict Ernest T.'spost, just reinforce it. However, I'd like to make a point to my original reason for posting this topic, and that's in regards to the Boba Fett/Clones/Stormtroopers voice and their inconsistency with the supposed "fix" in the OT DVD. Maybe he let this one slide so a good number of fans would rebuy the whole sha-bang AGAIn when HD DVD makes its introduction.

AS for what happened to Lucas, I'm of the belief that there are two factors at play here. One that I mentioned many moons ago is that the OT was the cream that arose from the notebooks of many ideas, the PT is the remainder of somewhat good ideas that maybe should have been thought through a bit more or torn out and tossed into the wastepaper basket.

The other point is seen in one of the Making Of Star Wars thingies when they did the Special Edition in testing out CGI and adapting it from the location area to ILM in California. I think that a big committee of yes men was assembled by Lucas who just nodded their heads and didn't challenge the logic of this point or that, and hence the reason the whole of the PT looks like a first draft shovled into the theatres.

Third, I think Lucas was more concerned to make the PT as a showcase for ILM and the CGI animation department, one big infomercial to get business from other filmmakers in search of effects. Raiders of ghr Lost Ark served the same purpose, letting the film world know that a period piece could pull in a lot of cash and look more authentic than any other film up to that point. ILM got work for that Robert Redford movie set in Africa when they used a model train for a real one, and many others.

Fourth, ILM makes more cash in the long run on the video games division than the movies, so the pull in that direction is obvious.
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