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Ian McDiarmid tastefully dissing Clive Revill A new reason to hate McDiarmid

#1 Lord Aquaman

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 10:39 AM

"George felt that it was just and proper. When he made Empire, we hadn't met, and he didn't have a particular idea of who would play the Emperor or how the character would develop. And he had no notion that he would do the back-story - Episodes I, II, and III. So whoever played the Emperor in a mask and added to Revill's voice wouldn't seem authentic to the people who are going to watch the entire saga in the right order. It wouldn't make any sense. Since I was the Emperor [in the other Star Wars films], it felt appropriate that I should be inserted into Empire, and that's what George did." (on digitally replacing Clive Revill in the DVD release of The Empire Strikes Back) - Ian McDiarmid

Reading a quote like that makes me want to punch the smarmy bastard in the face (fortunately for him, he's safely over a thousand miles away).

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 10:56 AM

at what point did he dis clive? seems to me he's being more apologetic than anything. there was nothing wrong with clive's performance; its just inconsitent (and very, very unnussual) for a different actor to play an important character in one scene out of a six part saga.

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 12:15 PM

It's also inconsistent and unusual Not to lay out the groundwork of a six-part saga Ahead of time.

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 12:18 PM

Oooh, BURN!! Nice one Despondent!

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Aug 11 2005, 12:15 PM)

It's also inconsistent and unusual Not to lay out the groundwork of a six-part saga Ahead of time.

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well, if that were the case, it would be inconsitent. but is it really unusual? how many six-part sagas are there?

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 02:04 PM

Let's see. There was a 12-movie series, a nine-movie series, and Lucas settled for six. for now.
You're right, Xenduck. Lucas planned ALL of them without speculating content or plot.

edit: thanks Dottie.

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 03:12 PM

High five! *holds hand up, waits...waits...waits...*

Edit: thought I would add some content, you know, just 'cause. As an aspiring writer myself, I can't see how someone could NOT plan things out. How could someone not value his characters that much. I dunno.

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 03:22 PM

ok ok, all other points aside, i still dont see how ian insulted anybody.

but out of curiosity, what series are you refering to, D? star trek, james bond? cause those are REALLY well planned out.

and for the record, im not suggesting every detail was planned out before hand, only that lucas had some idea of the backstory and that the movies are, in fact, consistent-but thats a debate for elsewhere.

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 04:11 PM

High five, Dottie.

QUOTE (xenduck @ Aug 11 2005, 03:22 PM)

but out of curiosity, what series are you refering to, D? star trek, james bond? cause those are REALLY well planned out.

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 04:13 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Aug 11 2005, 04:11 PM)

Pop fly. Anyone?

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 09:42 AM

I wouldn't call what he said exactly an insult. It was an inconsistency that should be cleared up, but changing the dialogue went too far. Also, in the original version of that scene, you couldn't really see the emperor's face. I thought that that little detail made the emperor more mysterious and at the same time more evil. Evil characters sometimes like to disguise or somewhat hide their appearance.

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Zatoichi @ Aug 12 2005, 07:42 AM)

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What can I say, I'm annoyed at what feels like blatant disrespect for Revill's contribution to ESB.

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 10:59 AM

Yeah, it is kinda crap that they don't give credit where credit is due. As a matter of fact I wonder how different the two versions of the scene actually are (Besides the dialogue of course).

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Zatoichi @ Aug 12 2005, 08:59 AM)

Yeah, it is kinda crap that they don't give credit where credit is due. As a matter of fact I wonder how different the two versions of the scene actually are (Besides the dialogue of course).

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Aside from not seeing most of the Emperor's face in the original Clive Revill version, Revill's voice is steady, calm, collected and suggests intelligence and dignity. With McDiarmid, it's more of the miscalculated Monty Burns stuff; plus he's all blue and his eyes grow red for no apparent reason.

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 12:55 AM

As far as disses go, that *was* pretty tasteful. In fact, I'd say that's not even a diss at all. *Incredibly* tasteful!

This is an insignificant argument.

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