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Posted 08 August 2005 - 10:36 PM

Alright, you know the scene where Anakin confronts padme about Obi Wan dropping in to the apartment they share and saying, "Obi Wan was here, wasn't he?" like he thought they were doing the horizontal mambo behind his back.

Granted, Anakin is being manipulated by Palpatine and the fear of losing Padme doesn't have him thinking things out logically, but isn't one of those rock-solid convictions he could have about the Jedi Order have something to do with the fact Jedi can't love, and knowing Obi Wan well as he does, I believe Anakin's paranoid thoughts about an Obi Wan/Padme relationship are unwarranted to say the least, Obi Wan strikes me as every bit of a "True Believer" that you'll find in the PT.

Anakin shows no concern for being discovered to have married Padme because its against the rules to do so, in fact, he has a "what happens happens" attitude if caught. How this leads to suspicion that Obi Wan is a cheater because Anakin is is beyond me. It doesn't hold up logic, and makes the scene where he Force chokes Padme on the landing platform when he sees Obi Wan all the more silly, as we're expected to believe he thinks they're having an affair despite Obi Wan's personal convictions and the aforementioned rules against one.
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Posted 08 August 2005 - 11:00 PM

"Projection" is an interesting psychological phenomenon by which one foists onto others one's own flaws. It functions as a defense mechanism -- what is too painful to see in oneself, one projects onto others.

I really like the insinuation of an affair between Obi-wan and Padme. There's no doubt that Anakin suspects this at the end and it adds alot of power to his sense of betrayal by all those around him.

And incidentally, according to an EU source I glimpsed recently, Obi-wan did have a love affair in his younger days. We are not specifically told that sex is forbidden to Jedi, only "love" (that is, a combination of sexuality and loving commitment, which often creates an attachment that can seriously interfere with one's duty as a Jedi...as Episode III illustrates very well).
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Posted 08 August 2005 - 11:16 PM

Anakin is jealous of Padme and not Anakin because he is so obviously gay. Trust me I'm Don Burns and my gaydar was off the hook.
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (Darth Player @ Aug 8 2005, 09:36 PM)
Anakin shows no concern for being discovered to have married Padme because its against the rules to do so, in fact, he has a "what happens happens" attitude if caught.


This is a really good point, and something that has concerned me as well. What are the consequences that Padme is so worried about in ATOTC? She is definately wary about beginning a relationship with Annie, but they never really (to the best of my knowledge) say why. Originally I thought that their society was really strict, but everyone seemed really accepting of the fact that Padme was an "unmarried" mother. Maybe it would have been a better plot point if the Jedi's kicked Annie out, seperated he and Padme, and kept them apart. If he didn't know she was pregnant, this would provide a reason for him not to be looking for his children, and a reason for him to turn to the dark side, because essentially the Jedi had kept him from every person he loved (i.e., Mom, Padme, whoever else...).

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 02:33 PM

Keep up the good work, Player.

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Thanks for the kind words, to be honest, I'm not even putting a lot of effort into thinking about this point or that, there seem to be a lot of big plot holes that are apparent when thinking of the PT.

Darth Therion makes a number of good points, but I disagree in a small way that the Extended Universe and psychological explainations offered on many fan boards are like a rubber stamp set pulled out to be used to cover up Lucas' weak storywriting. I'm not saying Therion did that, at least he attempts to provide some logical clarification.

In the EU material online at starwars.com it says that those who don't make the cut as Jedi go to some gardening planet to use the Force to help plants grow (not a job that sucks when you see how useless a number of the Jedi are in ROTS). It says they're removed from their families close tot he time of birth, or soon thereafter.Obi Wan has a brother supposedly who he's not close to although tye met once.

The point I was attempting to make is that it seems out of place for Anakin to fly off the handle at Obi Wan and think he'd be cheating with Padme. Obi Wan doesn't have anything in his character make-up that suggests he's duplicitous. Also his anger at Obi Wan for supposedly withholding training or not recognizing his power is odd to say the least, as Obi Wan has a responsibility to life all around and the Force, not just Anakin. His rage seems without reason.

The points about handling the situation of Padme, the marriage, and the children are good ones. It almost seems that there aren't any consequences for what he did with what's presented onscreen. Its almost as if some of the Jedi would say, "Hey, its against the rules to get attached (regarding love) we haven't been able to do so for millennia, but Anakin just did it, what the heck....."

I could go on and nit pick that Anakin's behavior with Padme didn't set off any warning signs via the Force, or how Vader just accepts that she died with the child at seemingly face value, no alarms or warnings about things being the other way but its been acknowledged that these things exist, and sadly, it seems with the end of the PT, they won't get resolved in any fashion.
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 03:12 PM

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(not a job that sucks when you see how useless a number of the Jedi are in ROTS).


First of all, teehee. It was like "here are the main Jedi, and they will be doing the buttwhooping, and here are the red shirt (ala Star Trek) Jedi, and they will be doing most of the dying."


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almost seems that there aren't any consequences for what he did with what's presented onscreen. Its almost as if some of the Jedi would say, "Hey, its against the rules to get attached (regarding love) we haven't been able to do so for millennia, but Anakin just did it, what the heck....."



YES!! This is the way I figure it: Either it was really easy for the Jedi to give up attachments, so they didn't think anything of asking Annie to do it; or it is a struggle that every Jedi goes through, so they made all the rules about it. If it was the first, they should have kicked Annie out as soon as they knew he had a problem (but why would they need all of the rules?), or if it was the second, they should have told Annie so, and made him feel like he was dealing with a common problem, which would have made him feel less like an outcast. The way that Yoda talked in ROTS makes it seem like it was the first, though...

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The point I was attempting to make is that it seems out of place for Anakin to fly off the handle at Obi Wan and think he'd be cheating with Padme. Obi Wan doesn't have anything in his character make-up that suggests he's duplicitous.


I agree...If GL was going to make the supposed affair of Obi-Wan and Padme a catalyst in the turn of Anakin, he should have set up some attraction at an earlier time. Now that I'm thinking about it, in TPM I remember thinking "what the heck is she doing flirting with the little noseminer when she has got a perfectly good Obi-Wan right in front of her?" THAT would have been the time to start introducing some kind of attraction or something, but it's just too confusing to add somekind of subtle (near) smoochfest at the end of the last move, and say "here, THIS is a MAJOR reason why Annie turned eeeevil." I think that the whole "love story" could have used a lot of work

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Also his anger at Obi Wan for supposedly withholding training or not recognizing his power is odd to say the least, as Obi Wan has a responsibility to life all around and the Force, not just Anakin. His rage seems without reason


It almost seems like he went crazy first, which, as I recall, was not mentioned as a path TO the dark side, but might have been a result OF the dark side.

This post has been edited by Dorothy: 09 August 2005 - 03:13 PM

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 03:30 PM

darth player, if an idea doesnt make any sense, then why would you even think that was what the author intended?

i can see the headline now, STRAIGHT-ARROW JEDI HAS AFFAIR WITH SENATOR DURING LATE-PREGNANCY.
come on. anakin wasnt thinking about sex. he was jealous of intimacy. he suspected that obi and padme could confied in each other things they werent willing to say to him. just like han and leia in the ewok villiage. "could you tell luke, is that who you could tell?!"

also, he feared that they were some how working against him to check his authority on the council, or manipulating him agianst the chancellor. this is clearly shown when anakin accuses "YOU TURNED HER AGAINST ME!" he does not say, "YOU WERE BOINKING HER ON THE SIDE!"
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 03:41 PM

"anakin wasnt thinking about sex. he was jealous of intimacy. he suspected that obi and padme could confied in each other things they werent willing to say to him. just like han and leia in the ewok villiage. 'could you tell luke, is that who you could tell?!'"

What you are describing here is an emotional affair. If GL was going to make this a major point of suspicion for Anakin, he should have presented them at least TALKING at one point or another. It definately should have been made apparent to the audience before the last movie, if it was GL's goal to have the audience have compassion or identify at all with Anakin.
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