[J m HofMarN]

I found this article about what catholics are saying about SW TPM below an article about what they said about Ginger Spice. Tale a peek.

http://www.seanbaby....id/catholic.htm

[rock_dash]

I found this article about what catholics are saying about SW TPM below an article about what they said about Ginger Spice. Tale a peek.

http://www.seanbaby....id/catholic.htm

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Seanbaby's articles should be mandatory reading in schools.

[Jordan]

If I saw seanbaby in the street I'd punch his face off.

[J m HofMarN]

But he has Mr. T on his side. Noone can compete with that.

[xenduck]

BRILLIANT!

not to be a cry baby or anything, but one small, symantical, point has always bugged the crap outta me: that people refer to anakin's immaculate conception as a 'virgin birth'. who the F*CK said shmi was a virgin!

[ernesttomlinson]

xenduck, the "immaculate conception" does not mean "virgin birth". Yes, I'm Catholic, by the way, but non-practicising.

[xenduck]

xenduck, the "immaculate conception" does not mean "virgin birth".  Yes, I'm Catholic, by the way, but non-practicising.

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ernesttomlinson, im not sure what you're getting at here. i know that "immaculate conception" does not mean "virgin birth". thats precisely what i was trying to point out.
seanbaby said, "The church's greatest concern was the movie's own version of a virgin birth,"
i hear that kind of statement all the time; virgin this, virgin that. i was simply showing that, while anakin has no father, it doesnt automaticaly make shmi a virgin. thus, a more correct term would be, "immaculate conception" rather than "virgin birth". but, at any rate, its a rather small and pointless point.

[Stray nerf]

GRR. This would have been my topic of choice years ago, but i will make my point in several sentences and move on.

The "book" was written by man. Man is fallable. Ergo the book is not beyond suspicion.
All throughout history men have tried to make us believe and act their way as if they are the divine pipeline to what is right when in fact:
Priests molest small boys at an alarming rate.
Oral roberts saw a 900ft. jesus that told him to raise a million$ or die...
Jimmy Swaggart is caught with a hooker.
Robert Tilton is a charlatan fool.
A religion with ONE god has HUNDREDS of factions all swearing the other factions
are wrong and will burn in hell.

Look, if youre religious, that's fine, but the "book" is 2000 years old and is meant to teach some good leasons.
Anyone who takes it LITERAL word for word scares me. Men Twist the words into their own visions.

People kill each other all the time for having a different invisible friend? I don't get it.

So who cares..I think Lucas putting that virgin birth crap in was a mistake, but he wanted to make the Force like a religion within HIS FANTASY MOVIE. Nothing wrong with that. The church shouldn't even be bothered to have an opinion. They have their own scandals to worry about. They would rather worry about what I CHOOSE to watch and that's why this attack back at them.

It could have been a lot uglier, I try not to get in these debates anymore. At least I didn't say "Ooga-booga, the Gods are angry...Ooga-booga." while wiggling my fingers.

[jariten]

Didn’t you type exactly the same thing on the God thread in the debate forum? Why bring back a three month old thread just for that?

[Stray nerf]

Didn’t you type exactly the same thing on the God thread in the debate forum? Why bring back a three month old thread just for that?

Well if you must know...I posted THIS first, then found a more appropriate place to vent in the general thread. and yeah I just went into a bit more detail along the same lines there.

Thanks for noticing. Transcripts and Cds are available at the door.

[jariten]

OK. In the future just bear in mind that the titles of threads often offer a clue to their content.

I tended to agree with what you were saying in the debate forum too, BTW.

[KurganX]

SB, like many internet humorists has a major axe to grind with religion. Mind you I'm not opposed to religious humor, but his comes off as majorly mean-spirited. I'm sure that was intentional (as he delights in tearing apart the flame mail he gets), but oh well. What's sad is when people who are ignorant about religion look to internet humorists to get accurate information about them (which sadly, does happen... many people still confuse The Onion with real news).

I liked how he made fun of the Super Friends and old comic book ads (like the fruit pies), his comments there were spot on!

The Immaculate Conception is widely misunderstood by non-Catholics. It has nothing to do with Jesus's birth. It is all about the Virgin Mary (you know, Jesus' mom) being born without original sin, via God's special grace.

Non-Catholics get the two confused, and I'd say more than half of the articles that discuss the odd birth of Anakin Skywalker get it wrong.

The other time that catholicism gets mentioned in Star Wars articles is typically with Anakin's "redemption." Usually the author with sarcastically compare Anakin's "return" in the scenes with Luke taking his mask off and the jedi spirits appearing at the Endor celebration as "catholic propaganda" (or something similar). First of all they assume such belief is WRONG (ie: that you can't repent of a life of evil doing on your death bed) and second that this is a catholic belief (as if nobody else believes this, or that all catholics believe this).

In fact, many Christian denominations teach that you can repent on your death bed, and God will forgive you if you're sincere. That doesn't mean that one SHOULD live a life of evil and repent at the last minute, but better late than never. And a person might die suddenly, giving them no "last chance cop-out" anyway.

The internet is full of people who are intimidated or feel wronged by "organized religion" and being as how Catholicism is so large and influential in the world, I'm not surpised that it's a popular target. Anti-catholicism in America is also an old institution (but thankfully mostly out of style, though every so often it flares back up again, it's not what it used to be like with the KKK and not being able to hold public office, No-Nothings, etc). That's not to say that catholics are a harder target for the butt of jokes in our culture, than say, Jews, or African Americans (unless you happen to be part of said group, then it's okay).

I don't think SB is uniquely anti-catholic. He seems pretty much anti-religion in general (At least his on-line persona is, I've never talked to the man in person, though I did see him in a crowd once and I thought he looked taller on the internet.. weird).

It's intersting how we tend to seek after humor that reinforces our beliefs, conscious or unconscious. I thought the Super Friends was a crappily done show with a lot of goofiness in it. And I get tired of people bashing catholics and spreading misinformation about them. Parodies are ways to get ideas across by making light of touchy subjects or by the use of hyperbole to get a message across.

Some seek after "shock" humor. As in "wow I can't believe he/she said that!" And sometimes, deep down, they envy the humorist who "had the guts to say what they were feeling but too polite to express." Humor has a role to play, if for nothing else than starting conversations (or fights!). I tend to try to not induldge too heavily in one brand of humor for too long, or it starts to really get old and stale. If humor is based merely on shock and getting a reaction, it has to continually one-up itself, but then this may be a weakness of a lot of types of humor.

Anyway, enough with the philosophy...

This post has been edited by KurganX: 16 November 2005 - 03:00 PM