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Posted 23 July 2005 - 03:57 PM

You know the scene where Yoda is in the meditation chamber of the Jedi Temple and hears Qui Gon say "Anakin NO!" when he experiences the disturbance in the Force when Anakin goes to town on the Sandpeople (but not apparently enough to get a clear picture of what went on to prevent the tragedy in ROTS (referring to plot, not the overall movie)).

If Qui Gon appeared to Anakin the way Obi Wan did to Luke, meesa thinks it would be a good way to scare him straight back to the right path. Unless Qui Gon didn't want to prevent the Jedi massacre, which isn't explained by Lucas in any manner, leaving yet another huge plothole in the weak PT.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 04:07 PM

[snark] Qui-Gon was the ambiguous Sith's ambiguous apprentice and the whole thing was a conspiracy to reform the order but then they both got pwned by the real Sith apprentices. What's the lesson? Ambiguity, while leaving you free to open gaping holes, will ultimately screw you over. [/snark]
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 07:39 PM

r u sure that was qui gon gin? i no it sounds exactly like him but im not sure lucas would put that in there so .....hidden.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 07:42 PM

Yeah, not un-subtle enough.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 08:40 PM

Yoda hears Qui-Gon, thinks he's gone mental, dismisses it for later contemplation.
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And then he heard a voice, a familiar voice, crying "No, Anakin!  No!  Don't!  Don't!"
It was Qui-Gon.  Yoda knew it was Qui-Gon.  But Qui-Gon was dead, had become one with the Force!  One could not retain consciousness and sense of self in that state; one could not speak from beyond the grave.
But Yoda had heard the ghostly call... the Jedi Master knew that he had not been mistaken....
That disembodied familiar voice hung profoundly in Yoda's thoughts.  For if it was true, if he had heard what he was sure he had heard...
Anakin hears it too but he was busy killing.
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Anakin, too, had heard the voice of Qui-Gon, imploring him to restrain himself, to deny the rage.  He hadn't recognised it, though, for he was too full of pain and anger.
In ROTS Yoda has a longish conversation with Qui-Gon and admits he was too arrogant.
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As it sometimes had these past thirteen years, when the Force spoke to him, it spoke in the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn.
Sometime between the confessional and Luke's appearance on Dagobah, Yoda does go mental, as evidenced by his fascination with a flashlight, and regains his arrogance.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 09:40 PM

So by the time of ROTJ, its possiblle for Obi Wan not only to materialize, but to sit on the log and have enough time to complete an online degree course. Nice.

The ambiguity far from being clever grows more annoying when one considers the basic plot points in these turkeys.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE (Darth Player @ Jul 23 2005, 09:40 PM)
So by the time of ROTJ, its possiblle for Obi Wan not only to materialize, but to sit on the log and have enough time to complete an online degree course. Nice.

The ambiguity far from being clever grows more annoying when one considers the basic plot points in these turkeys.


I've seen AOTC several times, and I've still never heard the "Anakin no!" part.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE (andy_k_250 @ Jul 26 2005, 02:20 PM)
I've seen AOTC several times, and I've still never heard the "Anakin no!" part.


Its in the scene when Yoda is meditating, most likely after Anakin goes to town with the Sandpeople. You hear Qui Gon say "Anakin!". Much like the sandperson yelp on Mustafar when Obi Wan is confronting Vader before the start of the duel, its there if you listen. I'd give you a marker as to how far in to the film it is, but I refuse to buy the PT pn DVD.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 08:57 AM

Why didn't Qui-Gon Jinn intercede in the action much sooner than the Noooo? Wouldn't he have been much more effective popping up much sooner than this, and letting Obi-Wan know that his Padawan was fearful, angry, leaning towards the dark side etc, but no he waits until Anakin is past the point of no return killing wise and then shouts out, No...!!!!

And why can Yoda only sense that Anakin is in pain regarding the killings but he cannot work out that 30 other women and children Tuskenís were also in a lot of pain?
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:42 AM

Guess they weren't on Yoda's Tusken Radar.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Aug 1 2005, 09:42 AM)
Guess they weren't on Yoda's Tusken Radar.


Very punny.
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 11:03 PM

I guess someone should answer these questions.

The reason that Obi-wan and Yoda can appear as Force ghosts is that they train themselves for twenty years using the techniques that Qui-Gon teaches them.

The reason that Qui-Gon cannot do this is because he had no training in the art of appearing after death -- he does, however, manage the incredible feat of retaining his identity after merging with the Force and continue on as a voice with a faint connection to the material plane. We can presume that this is because QGJ embodies the principles of the Force and understands its workings far better than the Jedi Council members.

Qui-Gon's apparently mystical achievement is not quite as contrived as it appears on first glance. It fits in well with the Eastern notions that a man's state of mind is the most important consideration and that the moment of death is one in which perfect enlightenment can occur (cf. The Tibetan Book of the Dead).

Yoda does become wiser by the time we see him in Empire. The "fascination with flashlights" is an act he is using to test Luke.
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Posted 12 September 2005 - 11:27 AM

It wasn't Qui-Gon, guys. Yoda was hearing into the future where Obi-Wan says: Anakin, No! because Anakin was rushing Count Dooku with his lightsaber. This later led to him getting half his arm cut off.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 04:48 PM

What confuses me is why had they never heard of it before? It has been done before don't you know? (EU)
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