[Paladin]

OK, this is probably going to be one of the last bits of criticism and nitpicking I'm going to do about the Star Wars prequels, so here goes.

In the First Episode, TPM, we get introduced to the Sith and the way they operate. They say that there are only 'two' Sith around, a Master and an Apprentice. They never actually explain why this is so in the movies at all, but in the novelization of Episode I, they state the reason why. They say it is because at the time of the Sith rising a 1000 years before the time of the movie, the Sith were pretty numerous, but because of the power-lust of the Darkside, they often fought each other and as such were easy prey for the Jedi. They also say that it was because of this that the Rule of Two was established because they believed that it was the most sure way to ensure the survival of the Sith, as they would owe their loyalties to Master and Apprentice, or something to that effect. I do believe that this is Lucas's plan seeing that he invented the concept (but oddly decided only to elaborate it in the novelization, I guess it was cheaper to write it down rather than show it on screen).

Now fast forward to Episode III. As I've heard from some people over here that Sith Apprentices apparently have a tendency of killing and rebelling against their masters when they become too powerful and Masters don't teach their apprentices everything and have to keep them in check. Even Anakin, after being Palpatine's apprentice for about 5 hours (as Chefelf pointed out) and tells Padme to come with him, where he would kill Palpatine and they would rule the Galaxy together.

So here's the 64 dollar question: Where is the rule of two in application here? Not only did George Lucas do a fantastic job of destroying all continuity between the prequels and the original trilogy but even butchers continuity within the prequel trilogy itself! It seems painfully apparent that the so called rule that is meant to hold what is left of the Sith together has even more counter productivity than I previously thought!

Well, what are you opinions?

[arius]

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So here's the 64 dollar question: Where is the rule of two in application here? Not only did George Lucas do a fantastic job of destroying all continuity between the prequels and the original trilogy but even butchers continuity within the prequel trilogy itself! It seems painfully apparent that the so called rule that is meant to hold what is left of the Sith together has even more counter productivity than I previously thought!

Well, what are you opinions?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I see that a replacement of the Vader Nooooooooooooo scream would address this issue too.

The scene would go something like this:


VADER: "Where is Padme, is she safe?"

EMPEROR: "I do not feel her presence any longer. I fear she is dead."

VADER: Angry:Shouting "You said that we could save her if I did what you said!"

VADER: Draws a Red bladed lightsaber.

EMPEROR: Force gesture. Superior Jedi/Sith Mind Trick.

Emperor: "You WILL obeyyyyy your Master."

VADER: Extinguishes Saber as he is forced to his knees.

VADER: "Yes............Master."


A short quick confrontation between Vader and Palpatine would be better than the lame Noooooooooo scene and it would help to address questions about Sith Masters and Apprentices.

Sidious is fully aware that Vader will be more powerful than he is and could kill him just as Sidious had killed Plagious.

A guy who can scheme to take over the Galaxy would have thought of a counter measure for a Rebel Apprentice as well.

A scene like the one above could prove that.

This post has been edited by arius: 22 July 2005 - 06:40 PM

[Paladin]

Very good post there. It makes a lot of sense, really.

[Storm Shadow]

oh please that shit is lame, if Palps would have pulled a "superior mind trick" on Vader that would give Chef one more reason to hate this movie. There's so many things wrong with that suggestion, the biggest thing being....why didnt Palpatine just mind-trick abuse Anakin from the day he met him if that was the case? I'd rather hear noooooo than that.

[arius]

oh please that shit is lame, if Palps would have pulled a "superior mind trick" on Vader that would give Chef one more reason to hate this movie. There's so many things wrong with that suggestion, the biggest thing being....why didnt Palpatine just mind-trick abuse Anakin from the day he met him if that was the case? I'd rather hear noooooo than that.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ouch Storm Shadow!

Look something like that seems to be happening when Anakin Pledges himself to Sidious in the first place. Anakin seems giddy with the influence of Sidious. It would be consistent.

Vader should have been more Terminator than Frankenstein. I say he should have been more Mad than Sad.

I think that when Anakin killed all those Federates on Mustafar and he turns to the camera and you see a tear going down his face that is when Anakin died.

Vader was more likely born when he was being burned alive. That would make me mad cause it happened all for Sidious' benefit. Who wouldn't turn on him for that broken promise. It is more logical.

Otherwise as you are watching the rest of the film, you're thinking. Wow look what just happened to Anakin and now he is ok with that???!!!

I know I was.

[Paladin]

oh please that shit is lame, if Palps would have pulled a "superior mind trick" on Vader that would give Chef one more reason to hate this movie. There's so many things wrong with that suggestion, the biggest thing being....why didnt Palpatine just mind-trick abuse Anakin from the day he met him if that was the case? I'd rather hear noooooo than that.

Calm down, man, calm down!

I agree that Anakin would have probably been to strong of will to just be 'mind-tricked' but I also would have to agree with Arius that something else entirely was needed than the 'NOOOOO" scream from Darth Vader. I personally don't care for the movie enough to think of a real alternative, but I'm fairly sure that you people can.

The whole story of Darth Vader's rising is all wrecked beyond recovery, anyway. If anyone really wants to make a good story out of it, they have to remake the prequels in their entirity. I used to think that the TPM was OK, but now I just think it was a waste of time, like many others do. AOTC was an even bigger waste of time as the whole 'story' of the movie could have been told of 5 minutes screen time and the character development was non-existant. ROTS was... well, you people watched it, you should know how really pathetic it was!