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Rhu's Journal: The Half-Blood Prince Experience Part 2 is now added!

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 07:55 PM

He had to make the Vow or risk being uncovered as an imposter. Bit of a dumb plot device, but there you go. And Dumbledore obviously knew about the Vow.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 12:03 AM

I just finished it and I must say that the book is awesome. I pretty much agree with you that the love scenes were useless (they're going to be deleted for the movie I hope). Voldemort's story is what really moved the story. Rowling should teach Lucas how to make a good background story for a villain. Everything that happened after the Hercruxes chapter had me gripped to the story. Then of course Dumbledore's death and Snape being the Prince were absolutely brilliant.

The only thing I hope is that in book 7 Rowling decides to show war. I was expecting this book to read about the Magical War not the Magical Romance. You know, stuff like magic guns or something.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 03:25 AM

Magic guns? A travesty if ever I heard one. Where's the olde-worlde fairytale appeal in magic guns?
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 04:21 AM

Well, Magic weaponry or something like that would be cool.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 04:52 AM

I think magic's pretty much a weapon all in itself, yeah? I mean, if you have a wand, you have...anything, I suppose. All you need are a handful of curses. There's no real use for anything else.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 07:03 AM

Absolutely agreed. What other weapon can produce your dinner, let you change your appearance, and use Cruciatus?

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You mean a Rogerus Aaronus Burnsus.
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I think it was too hard to resist Snape going evil. I mean, why would he make a vow that would kill him if he failed. Then again, guess I don't read minds. I hope Snape isn'tgood though. He's a great villain.
Snape is good. The vow was a prudent move because he knew what he was doing all along. As Head of Slytherin, a member of Hogwarts staff, and a member of the Order of the Phoenix, his job description includes protecting the children - all the children. By agreeing to look out for Draco he didn't get himself into anything he wouldn't have already been into. But, by doing so, he's mitigated Bellatrix's suspicions.
Killing Dumbledore was the most prudent course of action. If he didn't kill Dumbledore when Draco couldn't, whatever magic created the Unbreakable Vow should bring about his death. If the Vow isn't as deadly as we're lead the believe and he doesn't kill Dumbledore, then we're left with a Snape with a blown cover which will lead to a dead Snape and possibly still a dead Dumbledore. By killing Dumbledore he's able to keep himself, Draco, and Harry alive. All of them are now free to play their roles in the final chapter and, in keeping with tradition, Hogwarts is out a DADA professor again.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 10:14 AM

Well, anyone who reads my site can have a gander at my views on the book, but I'll pluck out one little nitpick I made at the end.

Its a bit convenient, really, that just before the last book in a very profitable series (ie, before Harry leaves Hogwarts), the school closes and Harry decides to bugger off Horcrux hunting with his friends. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but perhaps Harry graduating with a shitload of NEWTs and becoming an Auror got discarded as "way to drag out the franchise".

And here's something that's just occured to me in relation to the series as a whole. How big is Hogwarts supposed to be? I ask, because they make a big furore about having two Divination teachers, and how "the" DADA post never stays filled longer than a year. But assuming there's only about, oh, we'll say twenty subjects at most (and that's just wildly guessing), and apparently hundreds per house, if there's only one teacher per subject, then there must be overcrowded classes that'd give any teachers internal hemmoraging, let alone nightmares.

EDIT: And to throw my hat into the Snape debate: personally, methinks she just succumbed to the desire to make him a black-and-white baddie, purely and simply. Yes, him being evil does contradict a shedload of backstory, but isn't Voldemort supposed to be the greatest Legicimens (sp?) there's ever been? So in order to hide his good intentions from Voldemort, Snapes either got to be the best Occulemus (definatly spelt wrong) there's ever been (which I doubt, seeing as in the last book, Harry managed to get a look inside his head just by shielding from his Legicimens -hardly complicated stuff, you'll agree), or he's bad, he's bad, he's really really bad, oh yeah.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 10:56 AM

*Pulls out calculator* Well, if we take Gryffindor, Harry's year as the usual, then that means about 7 or 8 people per house per year, multiply that by Four houses, and then by 7 years, that makes 196-224 people on average, way too much for only one teacher to handle. Unless they have those time-turny things.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 12:19 PM

I look at it like this. Harry shares dorm with four other guys. Assuming there's five guys and five girls per house per year makes 280 people. You get people from one year and from two houses for one class, which makes 20 people per class. 280 people divided by 20 (per class) makes 14 classes per day. But since they have classes every other day, that makes 7 classes per day, which is the usual for schools.

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Snape is good.  The vow was a prudent move because he knew what he was doing all along.  As Head of Slytherin, a member of Hogwarts staff, and a member of the Order of the Phoenix, his job description includes protecting the children - all the children.  By agreeing to look out for Draco he didn't get himself into anything he wouldn't have already been into.  But, by doing so, he's mitigated Bellatrix's suspicions.

But what you fail to realize is that Beatrix's opinion doesn't matter. He already blatantly said that Voldemort trusted him and he explained all of her questions to Volde. She wouldn't be stupid enough to question V's opinions, so it doesn't matter either way.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 05:12 PM

Chyld - You're right, it's inconsistant, but it's the only major inconsistancy I can see to support the Snape Are Evul argument, and it's to do with detail, which can *possibly* be explained away somehow. But there are shitloads of inconsistencies to support the Snape Be Good theory, and all of those inconsistencies are do to with writing method. She can't have Snape turn out evil now. I dunno how familiar you are with fiction-writing theory, and frankly I'm not too good at explaining what I mean/think with it, but trust me. If she makes him evil, she's making a very serious mistake.

With the Occlumens thing, I'm guessing Rowling either messed up a bit, or she'll explain it later. Harry's managed to block Voldemort before too, remember. Anyway, perhaps Snape's motives are actually ambiguous. Well, they'd have to be.

I do so love Snape. Man, when I first read the books I was like, "OMG Snape is so fucking awesome," and my friends were like, "Ewww, you like Snape? But he's awful!" And now I have the Internet and suddenly discover that there's a whole clique of freaks who obssess and swoon over him and write horrible slash fiction about him. I feel... dirty.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Rhubarb @ Jul 24 2005, 01:55 AM)
He had to make the Vow or risk being uncovered as an imposter. Bit of a dumb plot device, but there you go. And Dumbledore obviously knew about the Vow.




He didn't need to make the Vow, he had to follow Voldemort's orders. Maybe he cares for Draco and Narcissa? Maybe he didn't really know what the task was about.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 07:52 PM

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Don't get too excited. There's a whole clique of freaks who obsess and swoon over him and write horrible het and/or gen fiction about him too. It's hard to say whether he or Hermione get more canon-raped in fanon.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 11:02 PM

man i want to read this book!!!, but i havent read the 5th one yet
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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:16 PM

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 12:57 AM

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Hahahahaha. Two Objects of Power destroyed, and four to go before the Chosen One must face the Great Evil! This is totally video game logic. I wonder if there's a minecart sequence in the last book


Thats pretty much the way I thought about it, until after I finished it and decided that the final Horcrux is obviously Harry Potter himself. I think Dumbledore said that Voldy only had 6 when he killed Potters parents. This is probably going to be the real meaning of the prophecy. If this is true, it should lead to a nice satisfying climax.
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