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Why is our society obsessed with blonde hair?

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 03:30 AM

Christmas hair. :D

Corvax: Wow, you're pretty jaded. :P I'm generally more attracted to men who are scruffier, and almost invariably nerdy and quite thin. Whether this is a conscious choice or whether all the cool guys I've known were broke is uncertain though.

And the 'good genes' thing does apply to men, as Jen says. Men go for chicks who seem better-groomed, or whatever, but women go for guys who have windswept hair and stubble and blah because they seem adventurous and tough. The sort of guy who kicks ass in the Matrix, kinda thing. You can mention wallets and stuff, but frankly that's a pretty bleak view of humanity, and I speak here as someone who loathes 90% of the human race. Check out the magazine pinups for the lastest 'hottie' trend... which currently seems to incorporate hair gelled into a boatprow and shirts that look like pyjamas. Dunno how the fuck genetics works into that.

Now that I think about it, I consider intelligence, empathy, and independent-mindedness to be more important commodities in anyone, and I'd want any kid of mine (god forbid) to possess those traits, so that's probably why I'm more attracted to lanky nerds... they're generally more smart/cool/embittered than, say, members of Boyzone. I'm also fiercely class-conscious and non-conformist, so that'd be where the 'scruffy' aspect comes in... implies that the person in question doesn't care that much about fitting in and prefers to be individual (assuming that they aren't just scruffy cos they're gross slobs or something).

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 04:43 AM

Rhubarb - I was talking general. It absolutely has nothing to do with my personal preference. I was talking average bimbette. Acccept the sad truth, you are not an average bimbette.

And yes, my view on humanity is pretty bleak
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Posted 20 July 2005 - 04:50 AM

Well, I dunno, I've known some really shallow tossers, and they were more into OMG HE'D BE SUCH A GREAT ACCESSORY than they were OMG HE HAS SO MUCH MONEY. Not that I'm saying golddiggers don't exist, but I don't think they're really as common as to be the average.

In summary: I think that the general population is more stupid/horny than greedy.

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 07:06 AM

I believe that, as was already mentioned, blonde hair makes one look younger. I believe one must look at it as if humans think like animals, not that we are a superior life-form in anything except intelligence. I apologise if I sound mysoginistic, but I think that on a base level, this is how we think. Blonde hair, in women, that is an attractive quality, because it is preferable for women to look like they have many childbearing years left. But in men, it is important that they look like they can protect the woman, and fight off other men. I am not saying that this is good, I am not saying that a man's job is to defend the woman, but I am saying that this is how I think that people think instinctively.
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Posted 20 July 2005 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (Otal Nimrodi @ Jul 20 2005, 07:06 AM)
But in men, it is important that they look like they can protect the woman, and fight off other men. I am not saying that this is good, I am not saying that a man's job is to defend the woman, but I am saying that this is how I think that people think instinctively.

Yes, and that is all Corvax was saying as well. Money is good for women and children, since it can buy away the real troubles in a modern world. Such troubles, of course, having nothing to do with fighting off leopards and such.

I won't deny women are attracted to money. Men with any romantic goals get used to hiding their net worth; game-hunters and trophy collectors like to show it off.

PS: MC, what was it I said that surprised you? I was just agreeing with Jen, genuinely, that gals are attracted to that scruffy look. I think aesthetics change, and that's what's in now. Humorous story to go with that: at the end of RETURN OF THE KING, Aragorn grabs Arwen and starts chewing away at her face. I took this in stride to be part and parcel with modern movies; my mother on the other hand reacted by saying "Oh my goodness. That's no way for a King to behave! Up until now he had been so decent and regal!"
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Posted 20 July 2005 - 03:20 PM

My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun.
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Posted 20 July 2005 - 08:06 PM

Exactly kdogg - men find curvy women more attractive. So tell me, what's with the proliferation of women with the figures of eight year old boys in the media etc, since no one actually finds that attractive. Could it be that the media is not a good reflection of what our society is obsessed with at all?
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Posted 20 July 2005 - 11:30 PM

It's been said, but instinctively, men/women are attracted to who would seem best to survive. Women like the tough guys and money, etc. because it says that the man can provide. Guys like youth because it says that the woman is healthy to support bearing a child. Then everything else piles on top of that, most often. It takes both at least modest physical attractiveness, intelligence, and the courage to remain a person in a society of plastic puppets that parrot television and consumerism like a religion for me to even be attracted to a woman. Hence I shall remain eternally single.

Don't complain that women need to look youthful in order to find a mate until women stop leaving nice guys (or just plain ignoring them) in the dust for bikers and assholes. It's a shitty system from both sides in all respects, but if it stopped working like that than the entire human population would die out in two generations. Not that I'd complain if it happened.

I've never noticed blonde hair to make a woman appear younger.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 03:45 AM

Civ - I was just surprised at the "poor grooming" part. Maybe you are right, maybe the majority of gals find stubble and poor grooming attaractive, if so, then I am in the minority.

And Slade I don't think anybody is complaining. I just accept this sad fact of life.

Concerning stringy women in media. Fact is, that clothes look so much better on stringy women. Also on TV and in films thin women simply film better. There were feeble attempts to re-introduce curves - Kate Winslet was brave enough at one point. But he fact is, if you are curvy, you can't wear a designer dress to red carpet premiere without looking dumpy in comparison with all the stick insects appearing beofre and after you. So poor Kate went on diet and is now as thin as everyone. At one point there were also attmept to introduce models with fuller figure, that also didn't work.

The pressure of society on women is such, that almost anyone with size more than 8 feels overweight. And overweight=ridiculous. If you don't agree, just watch a bit of Bridget Jones's Diary II. To make it more funny they made poor Renee gain more weight than ever.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 04:39 AM

It is perhaps ironic then that I find Ms Zellwegger far more attractive in those films then I do when she weighs 3 pounds...
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 06:30 AM

Renee wasn't even overweight in those films. She was mildly chubby, if that. By any standards. I thought she was pretty hot too.

Apparently the character weighed 9 stone, according to the retarded book it was based off. I weight 9 stone. I am thin. Short and thin. The smallest size of certain clothing labels are too large for me. Yet it seems I should be dieting to lose weight or something. The entire thought process behind BJ'sD is just gnah. I'd bitch about the clumsy Pride And Prejudice references and how inept and inappropriate they are, but it's for another thread, methinks.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 06:53 AM

According to the book, Bridget's weight fluctuated between 8 stones 8 pounds and 9 stones, which is 54 kg. Even if she was my height, 160 cm or 5 '4'' which is rather short, she still does not fall into "overweight" category. If she was taller than that, then she is positively skinny even at 54 kg. I wish I weighed that.

Yet in the film they made her, as you say, chubby. I once made a mistake of buying a guy's magazine (there was a free DVD attached) and there was a survey wheter guys would go out with BJ (from the original film), and one guy actually referred to her as "fatso".

So, please tell me, where exactly are all those men who supposeddly find plump women attractive, because I haven't met all that many of them.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 07:11 AM

Beauty perceptions are some of the funniest things ever. Like, I could go on for ages about certain fashions and stuff.
Take for example the words 'buxom' and 'lissom' - no one says lissom anymore, but back when people said lissom, buxom was seen as a bad thing - Roman/Byzantine threshold period and early European christian civilisation deemed to be beautiful women who did not ignite instinct.
Then look at the statue of David. If now was then and someone was making the statue of David, he would have been hung a bit better.
But a man of the time was beautiful if he was graceful - in a time when fencing was the sport of princes after so many years of tearing the crap out of other blokes in heavy armour with lances being the sport of princes, they wanted men to look like boys - fashion was designed to accentuate boyhood. At the same or similar time, the ideal woman was effectively Rubenesque.
These days beauty perceptions are pendulum swinging like crazy.
The main points on the female pendulum swing are the darker, voluptuous woman and the lighter, girlish woman or slender blonde. Meanwhile men are swinging between the two labels of metrosexual (SNAG, well dressed, well-groomed) and retrosexual (scruffy, tough, inherently manly). Don't worry - a week from now you'll see Jessica Simpson pandering to the girlish (for whatever reason a lot of people read ditzy in girlish) blonde, while a week later Angelina Jolie will be wearing some 'accentuate my rich dark skin tone and bust' clothes and everyone will be at that point and after another week you could get Kate Beckinsale to Katie Price... fashions are fickle - an IT rule of thumb is that a computer, hardware or software element will be obsolete in eighteen months, but fashion and beauty perception... well, though some 'timeless' elements stick around, don't worry about the blondes. Their time will come - and then it'll go away etc etc.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 11:10 PM

The real trouble is finding someone who isn't just a parrot for whatever society tells him/her to think. I find women of all sizes, shapes, skin tones, hair colors attractive, and I'm not afraid to point out if my opinion differs from that of my "peers." I say and have always said "Fuck what everyone else thinks and be who you want to be." If people don't like it, it's their problem for being mindless zombies, not yours.

About the computer thing: Hell, half the time your parts are obsolete by the time you get them shipped to you.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 06:36 AM

Though that is half the computer industries fault and the shipping industry.

And I agree - though there are these societal perceptions, myself and probably most people find a range attractive.
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