[georgelucas4greedo]

I want to know how Luke easily escaped Hoth in his X-wing, without being noticed by a single Star Destroyer. Shouldnt have Vader felt the presence of Skywalker as Luke was leaving the planet? The Mil Falcon had to outmanuver the whole friggin Imperial Navy!!! Maybe Vader should "search his feelings" more often.

Also, considering the Storm Troopers and Boba Fett spent alot of time together in Cloud City, did they notice that they were all clones of the same person? If I was Fett, I would be freaked out when I heard a voice completely like mine. Doesnt Fett feel distraught bu this? He is no longer an individual bad ass, just a clone of his dumb dad. And how can a clone have a father any way.

In ROTS, we see that clones can be promoted through the nauseating introduction of Commander Cody. Now, how come the Imperial officiers, like Moff Tarkin, are not clones? The whole clone thing is crap. Its a lot more menancing to know that people joined the Empire on their own accord, but leave it to Lucas to ruin a good thing.

[CowboyCurtis]

Don't have an answer to the Luke thing. If I start to, then I'll start to sound like an apologist. The only thing I can think of is maybe Han, Leia were his intended targets, to (of course) draw Luke to him if they're in danger, which is what happened....

I definitely have to agree about the Boba-Fett clones demeaning the clones in the OOT. I really wish he wasn't the template for them.

[andy_k_250]

In ROTS, we see that clones can be promoted through the nauseating introduction of Commander Cody. Now, how come the Imperial officiers, like Moff Tarkin, are not clones? The whole clone thing is crap. Its a lot more menancing to know that people joined the Empire on their own accord, but leave it to Lucas to ruin a good thing.

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I've always heard that it was kind of like clonism - a prejudice against clones. I'm being serious.

[andy_k_250]

Don't have an answer to the Luke thing.  If I start to, then I'll start to sound like an apologist.  The only thing I can think of is maybe Han, Leia were his intended targets, to (of course) draw Luke to him if they're in danger, which is what happened....

I definitely have to agree about the Boba-Fett clones demeaning the clones in the OOT.  I really wish he wasn't the template for them.

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And what kills me is why there weren't several templates, like -

1 million Jango Fetts
1 million some white guy
1 million some black guy
1 million some Asian guy
etc...

Who says every damn clone has to be the same damn clone of one person? I was genuinely expecting to see Obi-Wan have to fight at least one clone of himself - a non-Jedi clone, since Jedi powers should not be clonable.

[jerfus17]

Good question about Luke on Hoth...

I always thought Luke was able to escape so easily from Hoth because the Imperial Navy would be looking for larger targets like transports and cruisers that carry large numbers of rebels. They probably wouldn't waste much time and effort trying to nab single-manned starfighters.

As to you second question that one is easy ... the Stormtroopers were not supposed to be clones when the original trilogies were made!
The original idea for the Clone Wars (which I read as a kid in the 1980's) went something like this -
Old Republic scientist had invented cloining technology hundreds of years before the stories we (unfortunately) see on movie screens today. However, some of the test clones were unstable and prone to strange mutations, so the senate quickly banned the technology across the galaxy. About 50 years later, The Old Republic started receiving reports of strange, armor-clad warriors attacking some of the outer-rim worlds. When they send a team to investigate, they are quickly overwhelmed by hundreds of MANDALORIAN WARRIORS (yes, the same place where Boba gets his armor). The Republic immediately retaliates by sending it's entire fleet against the invaders and soon discovers that the dreaded Mandalorians have uncovered the secrets to the Republic's old cloning technologies and have been mass-producing their soldiers (so the clones are the BAD GUYS in the original tale) After decades of fighting, the Jedi and the Republic defeat the Mandalorians, but at heavy losses. Where once there were thousands of Jedi roaming the galaxy, now less than 100 remain. With the severe destruction caused to so many worlds during the Clone Wars, trust in the Old Republic's governing body and its Jedi defenders is at an all time low. This gives a young senator named Palpatine his chance to turn the people against the Jedi and the politicians against each other. With so few Jedi remaining, it is easy for his new apprentice, Darth Vader. to hunt down and destroy the rest of the Jedi.
That's just a quick version, but the simple answer is the Stormies were never supposed to be clones. George Lucas didn't think that up until he was starting to re-write the new movies (if you can even call them movies) in 1998-2000.

[georgelucas4greedo]

Amazing explanation.

[LiocModnar]

I was genuinely expecting to see Obi-Wan have to fight at least one clone of himself - a non-Jedi clone, since Jedi powers should not be clonable.

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Are you trying to tell me midichlorians aren't heritable? Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I want to know how Luke easily escaped Hoth in his X-wing, without being noticed by a single Star Destroyer. Shouldnt have Vader felt the presence of Skywalker as Luke was leaving the planet? The Mil Falcon had to outmanuver the whole friggin Imperial Navy!!! Maybe Vader should "search his feelings" more often.

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In the ROTJ novelisation, Vader thought that he ought to thank Yoda for training Luke. Maybe he had searched his feelings and let him get away? Or maybe it was a subconscious thing.

And how can a clone have a father any way.

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Someone had to donate the DNA yeah? There's the biological aspect. If you prefer the touchy feely definition of paternity, someone has to raise the clones.

In ROTS, we see that clones can be promoted through the nauseating introduction of Commander Cody. Now, how come the Imperial officiers, like Moff Tarkin, are not clones?

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The clones were engineered to be subservient Republic cannon fodder. By overexpressing their subservience gene, not to be confused with the ones that code for midichlorians because they've got their own genomes, they're not fit to serve the Empire.

This post has been edited by LiocModnar: 12 July 2005 - 10:31 PM

[James12345]

I want to know how Luke easily escaped Hoth in his X-wing, without being noticed by a single Star Destroyer. Shouldnt have Vader felt the presence of Skywalker as Luke was leaving the planet? The Mil Falcon had to outmanuver the whole friggin Imperial Navy!!! Maybe Vader should "search his feelings" more often.

Also, considering the Storm Troopers and Boba Fett spent alot of time together in Cloud City, did they notice that they were all clones of the same person? If I was Fett, I would be freaked out when I heard a voice completely like mine. Doesnt Fett feel distraught bu this? He is no longer an individual bad ass, just a clone of his dumb dad. And how can a clone have a father any way.

In ROTS, we see that clones can be promoted through the nauseating introduction of Commander Cody. Now, how come the Imperial officiers, like Moff Tarkin, are not clones? The whole clone thing is crap. Its a lot more menancing to know that people joined the Empire on their own accord, but leave it to Lucas to ruin a good thing.

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Did you not think that the clone wars were going to involve clones or cloning or were somehow clone related?

[georgelucas4greedo]

Did you not think that the clone wars were going to involve clones or cloning or were somehow clone related?

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Dont get your point. I think Jerfus had the best response. Youre just being a jerk.

[James12345]

Did you not think that the clone wars were going to involve clones or cloning or were somehow clone related?

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I like the rest of your explainations better.

[James12345]

Dont get your point. I think Jerfus had the best response. Youre just being a jerk.

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I had originally replied only after reading the first post.

[James12345]

  [i]Old Republic scientist had invented cloining technology hundreds of years before the stories we (unfortunately) see on movie screens today.  However, some of the test clones were unstable and prone to strange mutations, so the senate quickly banned the technology across the galaxy.   

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I just realized that knowing what we do today about cloning and DNA and such, Lucas would have had to alter the story somehow.

I mean we have to assume that genes work the same way in the SW universe that they do in ours. Knowing this the Republic would have never chosen an induvidual who is prone to having genetic problems to clone.

I don't mean to nitpick or stick up for GL. It's just that the old explaination doesn't make sense either...

Because as you said it's an idea based on science and technology from the 80's.

[LiocModnar]

I just realized that knowing what we do today about cloning and DNA and such, Lucas would have had to alter the story somehow.

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Would that it were. I think that's giving Lucas too much credit; it implies he did some research.

[Revan-47]

The storm troopers arent clones.

[xenduck]

i wish it were clearly stated in the movies, but come on, stormtroopers arnt clonetroopers...you see, if stormtroopers were clonetroopers then they wouldnt be called stormtroopers, they'd be called clonetroopers. well, i guess that is pretty clearly stated.