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The Mustafar Duel What a lucky coincidence...

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Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:31 AM

blah blah blah.

what about that enormous bottemless pit built into Cloud City for no reason? and what about that REALLY STUPID platform jutting out into it for no reason? could these guys think of a more contrived location for their climax? GOD, I JUST REALISED THAT THESE FILMS ARE AIMED AT 12 YEAR OLD BOYS. What was I thinking all these years?
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 03:06 AM

Bottemless pit in Cloud City????? It was a city in the clouds, who knows how many thousands of feet above the planet. The comparison is futile, man.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 04:35 AM

But the lava looked REALLY cool! See all the bright colours. Gaze in wonderment at all the exciting pixels. Explode with delight at the huge distracting images as a blue screen becomes something that hurts your eyes so much you forget about the 2 hours of dross you've just witnessed.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 08:13 AM

QUOTE (WalkingCarpet @ Jul 12 2005, 04:35 AM)
But the lava looked REALLY cool!  See all the bright colours.  Gaze in wonderment at all the exciting pixels.  Explode with delight at the huge distracting images as a blue screen becomes something that hurts your eyes so much you forget about the 2 hours of dross you've just witnessed.



Good point. For maximum effect, they should have had the duel

on THE SUN!
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 09:40 AM

Why couldnt they just have them fighting on the same platform? That would have been so much simpler. such a classic fight went down hill so fast.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:34 AM

I knew the whole Mustafar scene was going to be pointless before it even started. Earlier on, doesn't Grievous say something completely dumb and illogical to the trade federation guys like "go wait on Mustafar, it is a volcanic planet, so you'll be safe there" (safe? what the hell is safe about a volcanic planet?) ???

The PTs, esp. ROTS, all remind me of entire movie scripts written via that old kiddies fun n' games book, "Mad-Libs", where there's a silly story with blanks in it, you ask a friend for goofy words to write in the blanks ("give me the name of a color, a zoo animal, a place, and a type of food!") You write what your friend says in the blanks and then read the "zany" story back to them in its entirety, with the words they've chosen in it, so you end up with something like : "The purple elephant went to the bank and ate a key lime pie!" and everyone laughs (well, if you're 8 years old)

I'm sure Lucas spent most of his time writing ROTS sitting by the pool with his assistant in situations like this:

assistant:
"OK, Mr. Lucas, I need an animal, the name of something commonly found in a room or office, and a geographical feature!"

lucas:
"Ummm, let me think a sec: 'lizard', 'a window', and 'a volcano'. How's that?"

assistant (writing):
"Fine, let me just fill in the blanks and read it all back to you...'Once Obi-wan wins the battle he began while riding his giant lizard, triumph is short-lived because not long afterwards Mace is killed by a window, leading eventually to a show-down on a planet that is one huge volcano!"

lucas:
"Wow--sounds great to me! Call 20th Century Fox and tell them we're certain to have this all ready for May 2005 at the rate we're going! Oh, and bring me another burrito, OK? I'm gonna need some brain food if we're gonna work at this rate."
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 12:23 PM

The only thing i dont get is why would the droids scoop up the lava with small buckets?

I like the idea of the dam thing, at least the SW universe usually tries to make sense most of the time....right?
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Be The Reds! @ Jul 11 2005, 10:08 PM)
I'm not really bothered by the fight that went on.  I'm more concerned with the fact that someone would build that kind of array on a volcanic planet that is within reach of the lava to begin with.

The lava from an eruption lands on the platform causing it to melt and break.  GREAT DESIGN ASSHOLES!  Maybe you should have built it a little higher.

Next, the platform falls into the lava vertically... and doesn't melt!  What kind of shit is that?  A teensy bit of lava will cause it to melt clear to the core and break!  Yet it can float on lava without melting?  What, was the part that was hit by the lava the only place it was vulnerable to lava?


How about building the platform out of the same alloy they used for the lava droids and their buckets. Now that would've been sumthin'.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:16 PM

Okay, okay, Jariten, perhaps you're right, but I think I would've preferred it as Revan had pointed out, why didn't they battle on the same platform?

The whole sequence just looks so fakey to me!

As for the array. I would've liked it better if one their sabers had inadvertently cut a support cable and the thing fell...

As for the "bottomless pit" thing that makes perfect sense to me. How else are they extracting all the gases they're bottling from the air? Suck it inside and distill it.

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 12 July 2005 - 02:17 PM

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Posted 12 July 2005 - 07:13 PM

"GOD, I JUST REALISED THAT THESE FILMS ARE AIMED AT 12 YEAR OLD BOYS."

The ultimate, unanswerable defence of Lucas's gawdawful prequels: "The other movies suck just as badly!" Not much of a defence, really.

And Jariten is right; the setting of the climactic duel in ESB is contrived - at least the last half of it is. So why does it matter less? The most important reason is that there's more to the movie than that one duel; by contrast there's not much more to the prequels than action set-pieces. Also the fight itself in ESB is more serious. The PT lightsabre battles are full of little flourishes, spins, and twirls; it is all too obvious that these are not real battles but tediously choreographed ballets, whereas in ESB the two opponents just whale away at each other.

And, however contrived the ESB duel's setting might be, at least Luke doesn't fall into molten rock and yet survive somehow. How over-the-top can you get?
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (A Concerned Jawa in Brussels @ Jul 12 2005, 11:34 AM)
"Wow--sounds great to me!  Call 20th Century Fox and tell them we're certain to have this all ready for May 2005 at the rate we're going!  Oh, and bring me another burrito, OK?  I'm gonna need some brain food if we're gonna work at this rate."


Stop! Stop! I'm laughing too hard from that last line!
Jawa, you're too much.

That's going into my scrapbook of hilarious posts.

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Posted 12 July 2005 - 07:34 PM

Why did they have to make the fight take place on a volcano to begin with? Couldn't we have just had Vader seriously messed up by Obiwan and left for dead?

If they are doing it in a volcano, why does the whole planet have to be volcanic? Couldn't it have taken place near an active volcano say, on Alderaan?
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 08:41 PM

I was kind of enjoying the whole fight between Anakin and Obi Wan until the platform surfing began...I clenched my fist and silently thought, "Why, Lucas? Whhhhhhy!?"

It reminded me of that James Bond movie from a few years ago where he wind-surfs an avalanche, or one of those 50's Donnie and Marie flicks where they're surfing but the background is so fake you have to laugh.

God lord, that was bad.

I hope I live long enough to see the day someone tries to remake the PT. They'll probably cut all the crap and replace it with a lot of cool ideas that should have been there to begin with. It'll be one of those rare instances where the remake is ten times better than the original.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:18 PM

It reminded me of that James Bond movie from a few years ago where he wind-surfs an avalanche, or one of those 50's Donnie and Marie flicks where they're surfing but the background is so fake you have to laugh.

That's a pretty good analogy.

I hope I live long enough to see the day someone tries to remake the PT. They'll probably cut all the crap and replace it with a lot of cool ideas that should have been there to begin with. It'll be one of those rare instances where the remake is ten times better than the original.

That's what I hope for one day, too. They just look over all the clues given in the OOT and base it HARD on that information. If he's a 'starpilot' when Obi-Wan first meets him, then he's a starpilot. If he's a good friend, he's a good friend....
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 11:24 PM

What bothers me is the hypocracy. Do people intentioanlly turn a blind eye (and slip on the rose tinted OT glasses, if you will) to the parts of the OT that are identical to the parts of the PT they are attacking?

Remember Chefelfs oh so insightful WIND critique? REMEMBER THE LANDING PLATFORM ON CLOUD CITY? If you dont complain about why han and the others werent blown off then YOU ARE LAME.

The whole thing is tired, really really tired.
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