[Gerhard]

This one I don't buy it. At least that is what I understood from Yoda's speech:
Until the time is right, disappear we will.
this is in the movie.

on the script, at www.imsdb.com there is this:

YODA: To Tatooine. To his family, send him.

OBI-WAN: I will take the child and watch over him. Master Yoda, do you think Anakin's twins will be able to defeat Darth Sidious?

YODA: Strong the Force runs, in the Skywalker line. Hope, we can . . . Done, it is. Until the time is right, disappear we will.


So in the republic they train young boys to became Jedi, even Anakin at 9 was too old.
The excellent plan of Yoda, was to wait until the twins are old to defeat the two sith lords.

This is in itself a contradiction, I mean, if that was the plan why only begin to train Luke when he is at his 20's and goes ring in Ben's door? It does not make sense, I'm sure Obi-wan would start train him in the ways of the force as soon as possible, so more chances were there to beat Vader/Palpy. Let alone the fact that Leia was not even mentioned as a chance before ROTJ (again Lucas changed the initial ideia).

The end of episode III, where Lucas tries to connect to the OT it's one of the most pathetic things I saw in the big screen, and I saw a lot of bad movies.

Regards

[SithAvenger]

And if Yoda wanted to train Luke when he was olderm then why didn't he accepted him at first in ESB?

Lucas should watch his own movies.

[Despondent]

There's a special place in hell for that. And btw, Maestro, here's your banjo.

[Darth Player]

I'm not defending Lucas, but the reason Yoda says that Luke is too old to begin the training is similar to drill instructors saying that each arriving busload of recruits is the worst they've ever seen, its to knock them down a peg and build them up.

I find it hard to believe that Luke wouldn't have had any kind of instruction, maybe it was done so the Emperor and Vader couldn't feel a disturbance in the Force, thereby having him fall into their hands at an earlier aage, thereby no hope at all.

There's a really big plot hole when Luke is on Dagobah and says to Artoo "There's something familiar about this place..." What we see onscreen indicates he never was there and he'd have a right to go aboard any ship with a white interior and say "there's something familiar about this place" instead.

Maybe Luke was quicker to learn than the average Jedi trainee because of Dad's Midiclorian count, thereby making him more atune to the Force. Luke's destiny was to confront Vader and pull him back, so he just needed the basics. His training led him to the conclusion to throw his lightsaber aside. Kind of odd since both Obi Wan and Yoda don't do it going into the Jedi temple or against their respective duels with Vader and Palpatine.

[showmethemoney]

I'm not defending Lucas, but the reason Yoda says that Luke is too old to begin the training is similar to drill instructors saying that each arriving busload of recruits is the worst they've ever seen, its to knock them down a peg and build them up.

I find it hard to believe that Luke wouldn't have had any kind of instruction, maybe it was done so the Emperor and Vader couldn't feel a disturbance in the Force, thereby having him fall into their hands at an earlier aage, thereby no hope at all.

There's a really big plot hole when Luke is on Dagobah and says to Artoo "There's something familiar about this place..." What we see onscreen indicates he never was there and he'd have a right to go aboard any ship with a white interior and say "there's something familiar about this place" instead.

Maybe Luke was quicker to learn than the average Jedi trainee because of Dad's Midiclorian count, thereby making him more atune to the Force. Luke's destiny was to confront Vader and pull him back, so he just needed the basics. His training led him to the conclusion to throw his lightsaber aside. Kind of odd since both Obi Wan and Yoda don't do it going into the Jedi temple or against their respective duels with Vader and Palpatine.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

all it's gonna be solved in the next cartoon: SW-Rise of the Empire.
There will be a four years old Luke and Leia training in Dagobah to be a jedi, then Yoda will sense that the Emperor and Vader are still killin younglins or sensing the presence of jedis in the galaxy, and to continue the training could be dangerous, so, some way, he will erase that memories from Luke and Leia (included an induced-by the powers of Dagobah- dream in Leia's mind with her a her mother that she will mistake for a memory ) but bicouse they are strongs in the Force they will remember a little.
This is for free, lucas.

[Gerhard]

all it's gonna be solved in the next cartoon: SW-Rise of the Empire.
There will be a four years old Luke and Leia training in Dagobah to be a jedi, then Yoda will sense that the Emperor and Vader are still killin younglins or sensing the presence of jedis in the galaxy, and to continue the training could be dangerous, so, some way, he will erase that memories from Luke and Leia (included an induced-by the powers of Dagobah- dream in Leia's mind with her a her mother that she will mistake for a memory  ) but bicouse they are strongs in the Force they will remember a little.
This is for free, lucas.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Your comments are funny, and even joking you made more effort explaining the OT than Lucas in the PT.

That would be a good point, only train them at their 20's so the emperor/Vader could not detect them because of some obscure force reason.

But Lucas did not even bother to explain it did he?
If Lucas does not care, why should we?

Regards

[Paladin]

Lucas has totally screwed things up. Personally, I'm tired of criticizing him and complaining about the PT (Even if it's been a while since I've done either).

I just wish the video release would come out earlier so I can watch it and get this all over with. I'm not the type of person who likes to complain a lot (I hardly ever, anyway).

[CptSeaMonkey]

Right, this is obsurd on two levels:

1) They never even train *one* of the twins that much ... it's not really even clear that Luke was stronger in ROTJ than Obi-wan in ROTS. Why they are suddenly better off with a half-trained Luke, untrained Leia and a dead Obi-wan/Yoda is beyond retarded. Seems like they would have been better off going after the Emperor together while Vader was being rebuilt at the end of ROTS -- especially since they won or drew both fights. Or just training both twins from birth and going in 10-15 years later with four Jedi.

[ASIDE: The fact that TWO Jedi Masters defeated or drew with Palpatine and Obi-wan beat Anakin straight-up makes the entire saga retarded alone, and shows what a poor story-teller Lucas is.]

2) Obi-wan's white lies at the beginning of Star Wars go from being a gentle prodding to an all-out manipulation of Luke in order to get him to finish his and Yoda's revenge scheme which they were too sissy to complete.

[DarthTherion]

His training led him to the conclusion to throw his lightsaber aside. Kind of odd since both Obi Wan and Yoda don't do it going into the Jedi temple or against their respective duels with Vader and Palpatine.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Quite simply, throwing your weapon aside and refusing to fight (that is, refusing to employ hatred and anger in combat -- and eliminating any temptation to do so) IS the Jedi thing to do in Luke's situation. Since neither Obi-wan nor Yoda is being tempted by the darkside, there is no reason for them to take such a radical step.

I don't really see much of a plot hole here -- the Jedi simply need to disappear for a while from the galaxy. Let the Empire worry about other things, start to think that the Jedi are all gone.

Of course, they might want Luke to confront Vader when he's as old as his father was, hoping that the boy will remind Vader enough of himself to make combat difficult. This is presumably why Luke is allowed to keep the "Skywalker" surname -- to shake up Vader when he learns the name.

Incidentally, Jedi don't take revenge...get your movies straight.

[BobEPeru]

Quite simply, throwing your weapon aside and refusing to fight (that is, refusing to employ hatred and anger in combat -- and eliminating any temptation to do so) IS the Jedi thing to do in Luke's situation. Since neither Obi-wan nor Yoda is being tempted by the darkside, there is no reason for them to take such a radical step.

I don't really see much of a plot hole here -- the Jedi simply need to disappear for a while from the galaxy. Let the Empire worry about other things, start to think that the Jedi are all gone.

Of course, they might want Luke to confront Vader when he's as old as his father was, hoping that the boy will remind Vader enough of himself to make combat difficult. This is presumably why Luke is allowed to keep the "Skywalker" surname -- to shake up Vader when he learns the name.

Incidentally, Jedi don't take revenge...get your movies straight.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Would it have been so bad if they had ended the Palpy/Yoda duel with Palpy getting the best of Yoda, (maybe by Palpy letting lose a yet unseen display of sith lightning once he had gained the high ground and having that be the cause of Yoda fall) and either making clear that Palpy was playing bitch to Windu or making clear that Yoda was far more powerful in the force knowledge and that Mace was just a better fighter, or hammering home that Mace had dark intentions of gaining power when he confronted Palpy?. They could have had Yoda make a comment to Bail that he had underestimated the powers of the emperor, and it lead to his loss.

[diligent_d]

don't really see much of a plot hole here -- the Jedi simply need to disappear for a while from the galaxy. Let the Empire worry about other things...

...like blowing up planets.
Brave move Yoda, brave move.

[BobEPeru]

...like blowing up planets. 
Brave move Yoda, brave move.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually, that planet was seriously blocking the view of galactic center for many astronomers, and its eliminations was a boom for scientist of the outer rim.