[WalkingCarpet]

I use to be for the death penelty.  Now I think it's rubbish.  I'm not sure why so many people want it around.  Is it really justice?  What if you kill an innocent man? then what?  I think life in jail is worse.  Imagine it, stuck in a cell, getting rapped, eating shit food, not having a girlfriend, not being able to play Rome Total War or even chat on the internet.

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Sounds like being back at school.

......Er, apart from the raping part, I didn't go to public school.

[Jordan]

HOme schooling or private schooling?

[Patrick Bateman]

Nixon V Che. Nixon kept the Vietnam war going for four extra years for his own political interests. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Slade]

If you're going to do that, make a different thread.

Jordan: as an ex pro-death penalty type person, why did you support it, and what made you change your mind?

[Patrick Bateman]

What do you mean a different thread. This has organically digressed toward a death penalty v war discussion?

[J m HofMarN]

Che Guevara is the greatest hero the world has ever known. He killed to uplift the global poor while Nixon killed because the sick piece of human refuse liked the taste of blood.

Che Guevara was leading a revolution against some people who were very, very bad. Oppressors and rapers of the land, murderers and torturers, slave masters. Are you faulting him for killing during a revolution?

When the revolution comes I am sure that many will take Dr. Guevara's stance. I myself am more for moderation, and certianly for some sort of trial. However I cannot argue with those who follow Che's example.

In my own opinion the crime of treachery, to nark or spy on one's brethren, that is a worse crime than murder. Che felt just the same as I do, as he himself was killed due to treachery. Killing is necessary in the overthrow of a government. Not because we revolutionaries want to, but because the power will never willingly cede power, and must be forced to do so by the proletariat.

Che may have personally killed several traitors to the revolution. Nixon ordered the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Vietnam and in his own country. Just because Nixon's hair wasnt greasy, just because he didnt crawl through jungles risking his life, just because he wore a nice clean suit, that should not be reason that you can't see the blood on his hands, for that blood fed his evil reign of terror, and if there is a hell I am sure he pays for all the blood he spilled there. Long live Che Guevara, and long live the revolution!

[Ham Salad]

Che may have personally killed several traitors to the revolution. Nixon ordered the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Vietnam and in his own country. Just because Nixon's hair wasnt greasy, just because he didnt crawl through jungles risking his life, just because he wore a nice clean suit, that should not be reason that you can't see the blood on his hands, for that blood fed his evil reign of terror, and if there is a hell I am sure he pays for all the blood he spilled there. Long live Che Guevara, and long live the revolution!

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Dude, enough disinformation already! Most deaths and murders in Vietnam occured under JFK and LBJ, both DEMOCRATS. LBJ brought troop levels to the maximum and initiated the numerous offenses. Nixon was committed to withdrawal and was the first president to bring troops home under the Nixon Doctrine, a steady withdrawal of US troops!

You do not know your history, it has been proven time and time again, yet you continue to post as if you do, and all the time making yourself look so darned...dumb!

[Patrick Bateman]

Te, he, he Ham Salad. You almost had me. The master of sarcasm strikes again.

What about Kissinger's secret meeting prior to the 1968 election, you know, just prior to the peace negotiations ...

Just a reminder. The US, under LBJ put forward a treaty, Kissinger however went behind their backs and told the Vietcong that if they rejected the treaty his man (Nixon, the great peacemaker - a close cousin in heart to the Bush clan) would most certainly win the Presidency and - nod ... wink - may make a better deal.
The Vietcong rejected the treaty, Nixon won the election (after LBJ withdrew due to overwhelming lack of support) and used the war to propel sweeping anti privacy laws (Hmmmmmmmm sounds familiar). He THEN said that if reelected he had a plan all along to end the war, and that a new President would not have the enemies confidence.
He had a plan alright ... that plan involved keeping the war going long enough to win reelection. After the election negotiations kicked on again and guess what - !!!! - the exact SAME proposals were put forward.

What a guy!!!!


As for Nixon's legacy, we see evidence of it today, a continuation of Goebbel's theory that if you "repeat a lie often enough, enough will believe" and Hitler's addage, "The bigger the lie, the easier it is to hide behind"

[Ham Salad]

Te, he, he Ham Salad. You almost had me. The master of sarcasm strikes again.

What about Kissinger's secret meeting prior to the 1968 election, you know, just prior to the peace negotiations ...

Just a reminder. The US, under LBJ put forward a treaty, Kissinger however went behind their backs and told the Vietcong that if they rejected the treaty his man (Nixon, the great peacemaker - a close cousin in heart to the Bush clan) would most certainly win the Presidency and - nod ... wink - may make a better deal.
The Vietcong rejected the treaty, Nixon won the election (after LBJ withdrew due to overwhelming lack of support) and used the war to propel sweeping anti privacy laws (Hmmmmmmmm sounds familiar). He THEN said that if reelected he had a plan all along to end the war, and that a new President would not have the enemies confidence.
He had a plan alright ... that plan involved keeping the war going long enough to win reelection. After the election negotiations kicked on again and guess what - !!!! - the exact SAME proposals were put forward.

What a guy!!!!



As for Nixon's legacy, we see evidence of it today, a continuation of Goebbel's theory that if you "repeat a lie often enough, enough will believe" and Hitler's addage, "The bigger the lie, the easier it is to hide behind"

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Yeah, yeah, yeah then Nixon consulted Hitler's brain that he kept alive in a pickle jar in the basement of the oval office...the South and North rejected the armistice and went back to war after the us withdrawal which is what they wanted since the 1950's anyway. What a waste!

My foreign forgetter, sweeping anti-privacy laws? The Privacy Act of 1974 was a very, very good thing and Mr. Nixon was responsible for its urgent adoption. If it wasn't for him and what he did we wouldn't have the privacy act.

Rest in peace Tricky Dicky!

[J m HofMarN]

Dag blamit Patrick dont you badmouth that thar richard Nixon, he was a great Amerikan! Why he killed more black folks than my cousin Jed, and Jed is in the clan.

Me and my wife Marta think his operation brownmail was just peachy, seein as how he had the FBI open the mail of BPP members and then rewrite it, and the times he sent the FBI or the cops to shoot unarmed black folks while they slept were a testament to the superiority of the white race!

And that dosnt even count all the protesters who were murdered during his reignn, but they was probably hippy queers anyhow. And keeping the vietnam war running for a long time did wonders to thin out the non-white population! Nixon is a kind among men, far better than that daggon greasy spick Che Guevara! Yeeha!

[Patrick Bateman]

I know that stuff I wrote about Nixon seems like conspiracy bullshit ( and no I am not one of those people who think that Nixon was in with anyone on JFK's assaniation but I will try and find the details of the Kissinger Biography that those claims are in. Give me a second here ...

This is a direct transcript from a book by Christopher Hitchens a noted author and columnist for the New Yorker among others. Now this does not of course mean it is true but it is definitely not a rumour, some vitriol from a talkback caller or a quick hack job from a journalistic dropout. This guy is for real as are his credentials. The book, which I definitely recommend is called The Trial of Henry Kissinger.

"Here is the secret in plain words. In the fall of 1968, Richard Nixon and some of his emissaries and underlings set out to sabotage the Paris peace negotiations on Vietnam. The means they chose were simple: they privately assured the South Vietnamese military rulers that an incoming Republican regime would offer them a better deal than would a Democratic one. In this way, they undercut both the talks themselves and the electoral strategy of Vice-President Hubert Humphrey. The tactic "worked," in that the South Vietnamese junta withdrew from the talks on the eve of the election, thereby destroying the "peace plank" on which the Democrats had contested it. In another way, it did not "work," because four years later the Nixon administration concluded the war on the same terms that had been on offer in Paris. The reason for the dead silence that still surrounds the question is that, in those intervening four years, some twenty thousand Americans and an uncalculated number of Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians lost their lives. Lost them, that is to say, even more pointlessly than had those slain up to that point. The impact of those four years on Indochinese society, and on American democracy, is beyond computation. The chief beneficiary of the covert action, and of the subsequent slaughter, was Henry Kissinger."

What a nice bunch of chaps, that's the guy you defend ... I'd like to hear your critique of Stalin sometime

[J m HofMarN]

Fun fact, Henry Kissinger was also in on the East Timor affair and was a leading architect of the overthrow of President Salvador Allende and the subsequent slaughter of ten thousand people by Augusto Pinochet. Henry Kissinger does not deserve to live.

[Ham Salad]

Fun fact, Henry Kissinger was also in on the East Timor affair and was a leading architect of the overthrow of President Salvador Allende and the subsequent slaughter of ten thousand people by Augusto Pinochet. Henry Kissinger does not deserve to live.

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But he was so good on "The Wonder Years".

[Slade]

The thing is, Nixon was pretty crazy and paranoid.

And your political party doesn't make someone who's intelligent like you more if they belong to the same one. Truman dropped atomic warheads on two large Japanese cities.

[Ham Salad]

The thing is, Nixon was pretty crazy and paranoid.

And your political party doesn't make someone who's intelligent like you more if they belong to the same one. Truman dropped atomic warheads on two large Japanese cities.

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You're the type that believes anything written down, huh?
Try this:

I am god.