[floppydisk]

I think Walmart is being used as an example, and a tired one at that.  Actually, most of the cases involve hotels, malls, and re-development (i.e. new and more expensive homes) because poor people shouldn't have prime property. 

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Actually, I'm not just using Wal-Mart as an example. I don't know about the rest of the country, but in Florida they do this all the time. Mostly to poorer people. They are generating jobs and whatnot, but they're kicking out tons of people to do it.

[Ham Salad]

Actually, I'm not just using Wal-Mart as an example. I don't know about the rest of the country, but in Florida they do this all the time. Mostly to poorer people. They are generating jobs and whatnot, but they're kicking out tons of people to do it.

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Agreed. It's basically the haves wanting what little the have nots have. The jobs they generate are low wage and low skill. Property rights used to be the hallmark of American liberty, now it's all about capital liberty and economic rights.

[Rory]

'Lefty' doesn't automatically mean 'Liberal'. I'm as left-wing as they come and I hate the Liberals, they suck. Liberal in the US these days just means pretty much anyone who's opposed to Bush.

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I always got the impression that the term liberal was kind of wishy washy, with no rigid definition, politcally. Now days, conservatives use it more or less as an insult, right? All sorts of people are called liberals, I think, but I always got the impression it had something to do with someone's belief in protecting the obligations society had for individuals, like say the obligation society has not to control another persons reproductive choices. Sounds pretty good to me!

And lefty, well isn't that just a term used to describe a certain swing, politically? Like opposite to righty's, or those in the right wing politically. And aren't Those people like republicans and conservatives and shit? And so wouldn't it follow that the left wingers would be the other people, namely the people who sit on the other side of the proverbial fence. And aren't at least one subset of those people democrats? I mean, they certainly aren't 'rightys'. Maybe some of them would be better termed as moderates, but even those, I bet, are only called that because they are so close to the middle, but no doubt still more or less on the "other" (left) side.

[Kirby]

What about people who are ambidextrous?

[Slade]

They are centerists. Pick a side, you lazy gits!

In all seriousness, CLASS STRUGGLE! YARRR!

Ok, let me try again. Renegade, stop arguing semantics. It's just plain silly and detracting from legitimate debate/bitching.

[Rory]

They are centerists. Pick a side, you lazy gits!

In all seriousness, CLASS STRUGGLE! YARRR!

Ok, let me try again. Renegade, stop arguing semantics. It's just plain silly and detracting from legitimate debate/bitching.

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Well to be fair, you should say Renegade, Rory, and Rhubarb (Hey three R's!), stop arguing semantics. And I think Renegade's point isn't that silly. A lot of people seem to think being a liberal is a horrible thing, but that really seems to be from all the bad press the word gets from people who claim liberals are wishy washy pansies. And THAT's just silly! Well some liberals are pansies I guess, but still!

[Slade]

No, he was saying that liberal didn't mean left-wing or that if you were liberal you had to be of some party or the difference between liberal and left-wing or something like that. And yeah, it takes two to argue. My bad.

Liberals get a bad wrap because they are the enemies of the conservatives, and they have no qualms against fighting as dirty as possible. I think the liberals need to wake up and fight fire with fire before the US becomes irreversibly reactionary.

[Renegade]

So liberals and radicals are the same thing now? Ooooookay. Bye bye, credibility.

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It said OR didn't it? Not and.

Reading comprehension > you

[Renegade]

Well to be fair, you should say Renegade, Rory, and Rhubarb (Hey three R's!), stop arguing semantics. And I think Renegade's point isn't that silly. A lot of people seem to think being a liberal is a horrible thing, but that really seems to be from all the bad press the word gets from people who claim liberals are wishy washy pansies. And THAT's just silly! Well some liberals are pansies I guess, but still!

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It's not really a argument its just common sense. The left of the spectrum (lefty) is considered liberal as opposed to the right side of the spectrum which is considered conservative. I don't see the trouble in this understanding. Whether you think Democrats are LIBERAL nuff is irrelevent to the point of lefty = liberal.

[Rhubarb]

Also liberals are radicals. There is no distinction. Thank you, Renegade! I will treasure my newfound knowledge!

[Jordan]

Liberals get a bad wrap because they are the enemies of the conservatives

HA, goes both ways.

A radical can be both a conservative or a liberal.

[Hari Seldon]

(...) liberals are wishy washy pansies. And THAT's just silly! Well some liberals are pansies I guess, but still!

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I guess some people are pansies.
Then some are liberals.
And some are not.

I like the exp​ression "wishy washy", though.

[Renegade]

Also liberals are radicals. There is no distinction. Thank you, Renegade! I will treasure my newfound knowledge!

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Do you not read?

LIBERAL OR RADICAL. Not AND.

The left side is considered liberal / radical (when extreme) and right side is considered conservative / reactionary (when extreme). It's really not difficult to comprehend.

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[Hari Seldon]

Do you not read?

LIBERAL OR RADICAL. Not AND.

The left side is considered liberal / radical (when extreme) and right side is considered conservative / reactionary. It's really not difficult to comprehend.

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Maybe we could invent some new political jargon.

One could have libedicals and conservionarys, for starters.

[Renegade]

I'm just giving the facts my good man