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Posted 24 June 2005 - 06:14 PM

Jedi's can't have children, but if they do the force will be strong in them as well.
But the Jedi organization prefer to spot children force sensitive from people not force sensitive (or either they would be Jedi's) but then again, why children would be force sensitive if the parents are not? Even Qui Gon Jin asked who was Anakin's father, clearly stating the parents are important

(funny he did not remember to test Anakin's mother for the count of midiclorians to see if she was strong with the force, it seems only through male's the force sensitive stuff goes to the children, does the force or the midiclorians thing reside in male sperm?)

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 09:03 PM

Mitochondria are maternally inherited. Whether or not that applies to midichlorians... rolleyes.gif Another argument against paternal inheritance would be the Solo kids in the EU unless Han's a latent Jedi.

I liked the OT explanation; much better than Lucas deciding to pull interesting words out of an elementary biology text.
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Posted 25 June 2005 - 05:31 AM

About the Solo Issue, I know what you mean, the Solo & Leia Kids in the POS-ROTJ novels, yes, they are force sensitive, so they have it from Leia, but do not underestimate the silliness of Lucas! Thank God Solo was not in the prequels, someone could had the ideia of testing him for midicloreans!

For me this issue is a contradiction, and in the OT there is never a reference that Jedi's can't have children. Well anyway, I just found it was an interesting contradiction that I never seen stated.

Besides If a child out of nothing has force powers, Then Luke & Leia would never be the "last hope", since they could guide luke to spot another child force sensitive somewhere in the galaxy (another inconsistence between PT & OT?)
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Posted 25 June 2005 - 11:16 AM

i got the impression that the 'jedi' in the title 'return of the jedi' was plural. so that luke restarting the jedi order was the whole point of the OT. but in order to return the jedi, vader and sidious had to be removed first. plus, i dont think there is ever any garuntee of whose kid will have a sufficiently high midchlorian count to be a jedi. ok, jedi have force-sensetive kids, the kids can raised by the order, no prob. but if a jedi has a kid that has to be raised outside the order, who will raise him? the jedi would have to abandon the order. therefore, it is impossible for a jedi to have a family. to prevent such provocative issues, the order forbids marraige, child-bearing. plus, someone raised the problem of jedi family dynasties, which could lead to a power struggle.
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 07:33 PM

QUOTE (Gerhard @ Jun 24 2005, 06:14 PM)
(funny he did not remember to test Anakin's mother for the count of midiclorians to see if she was strong with the force, it seems only through male's the force sensitive stuff goes to the children, does the force or the midiclorians thing reside in male sperm?)

What do you think?


maybe it's in female sperm... tongue.gif
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Posted 26 June 2005 - 07:35 PM

Stupid Jedi... they deserved to be killed. And I really mean it.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 08:12 PM

I think it all comes down to Lucas being a moron. I don't even think he knows the answer to a lot of these questions.

It's just ridiculous, all these questions that have to be asked after watching these movies.
I think a lot of the clowns on this forum could have made a better prequel trilogy given the resources (the original trilogy and a bajillion dollars).

It's like he didn't even watch his own movies sometimes.
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 03:35 AM

According to EU, Jedi were not always celibate. I changed later as their "no attachments" philosophy developed. And they train children from birth because too many who trained at older age went to Darkside. And the fact that midichlorians are genetically inherited doesn` mean that they can`t appear randomly sometimes.
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (Darth Borba @ Jun 28 2005, 02:12 AM)
I think it all comes down to Lucas being a moron. I don't even think he knows the answer to a lot of these questions.

It's just ridiculous, all these questions that have to be asked after watching these movies.
I think a lot of the clowns on this forum could have made a better prequel trilogy given the resources (the original trilogy and a bajillion dollars).

It's like he didn't even watch his own movies sometimes.



I just gave you the answers. PT doesn`t explain the background extensively, but we can think for ourselves, right?
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ Jun 28 2005, 03:37 AM)
I just gave you the answers. PT doesn`t explain the background extensively, but we can think for ourselves, right?


amen to that. there isnt enough time to give answers to every little background detail. the movies isnt about the jedi order, its about specific jedi. just because the answer arent dangled in front of your face doesnt mean lucas is a moron.

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Posted 28 June 2005 - 08:30 PM

Where in the films does it say that the Jedi can`t have children?
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Posted 28 June 2005 - 09:18 PM

apparently they are forbidden to love...

i guess we all just assumed that children where also part of that ban...

but maybe you're right... maybe they're allowed to have children, just not allowed to do anything that leads to having children...
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 12:41 AM

The idea is that they are trained to be weaned off attachments. I mean, look what happened to Anakin, then look what (very nearly) happened to Luke.

You can have sex with someone without love being involved. I can attest to that.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 01:42 AM

and you can have a kid without love, my parents can attest to that...

but being free of attachments, and starting up a franchise of junior jedis sired throughout the galaxy pretty much feel like related subject matter to me...
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 08:29 AM

Jedi are the dumbest "wise" people in the galaxy, for a large number of reasons.


It is true that the Orthodox church for instance does not allow theis preists to have a family (for a small, silly reason that originated in the middle ages). These same preists however are encouraged to love every member of their parish.

Having the Jedi order protecting the galaxy... you COULD have them in permanent celibacy(though that doesn't make it a good ideea), but actually TEACHING the Jedi as to stay away from loving their closed ones.. now that's a good one! Why in the world are they even protecting the damn Republic if there isn't anything dear to them there:

"The Sith Lords have overtaken the Republic !"
Jedi: " Hmm,yeah.. that's interesting, what else is on TV ?"
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