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#481 User is offline   Shawnathan Icon

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 10:56 PM

There's one thing I'm sure of about God, He's not a very resposible person. He'll create us but not take responsibily for his creations, He's like a little kid.

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 11:23 PM

uh, actually i'd say we're more like an ant farm.

god says: "here you go, have a big glass world and some dirt... knock yourself out."

anything else that happens is up to us, or gods neighbours dog if he gets loose and knocks the world onto the floor...
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 12:34 AM

Xen: Yeah, and you can't argue for any sort of god either, given it's all subjective evidence. Might as well try to convince someone to worship that Invisible Pink Unicorn. Hence Slade = Agnostic.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 02:32 AM

Barend- Cute girls don't kiss. I've never seen an attractive lesbian. I"ve seen average looking ones, but never the kind that star in porn. I have heard girls say "that gay guy is good looking". THey might just be saying that though. But maybe not.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 09:02 AM

Well, most guys don't have 8 inch long penises either, every male in porn does...
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 01:44 PM

Speak for your self mister.


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Posted 05 September 2005 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Sep 5 2005, 02:32 AM)
I've never seen an attractive lesbian.

NOW YOU CAN!!!!
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 06:35 PM

Poor ignorant Xenduck - I can argue against God using his own words.
But when someone tries to argue for God using evidence beyond the bible, they fail.
The number of times I've heard the "take the human eye for example" argument is equal to the number of times I've done the "take this cross-section of optics in molluscs, from photoreceptive cells to full camera eyes" and squashed their argument.
The number of times I've done the "God, in his description of perfectly benevolent and omnipotent, cannot exist - take the snake which tempts Eve and Eve herself - the latter creation can be tempted, and is imperfect while the former creation tempts, and is malevolent - so God either cannot be benevolent or omnipotent, choose one." is equal to the number of time people have gone "YOU CANNOT HAVE GOOD WITHOUT EVIL! Teh snake was devil oneoneoneone"
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 11:27 PM

i've seen many sexy and cute girls making out in public.

(this is the gay capitol of the world)
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ Sep 5 2005, 06:35 PM)
Poor ignorant Xenduck - I can argue against God using his own words.
But when someone tries to argue for God using evidence beyond the bible, they fail.


ooooeeee, thems fightn' words!
there is no way (as of yet) to PROVE god does or does not exists. surely you all realize this debate is purely acaemic. so, just for fun, im taking the position that the christian god does exist and he is both omnipotent and benevolent. i ask anyone to offer ONE peice of evidence against him and i will offer a counter argument. or vice-versa if no one responds to this post before i check the forum again. i beg you, those who respond to my challenge, to remember two things:
1) while i am the son of a preacher, i am by no means christian. i am not as well versed in these matters as i should like.
2) i recently lost internet at home. i am writting this during my work break on a strict time budget; which is why it is easiest for me to wait and see where the conflicts are and address them individually as they arise-rather than go through the bible book by book.

in the meantime, heres a tidbit. good cannot exist without evil, so you may ask yourself, if god created everything and thus existed alone beforehand, then how could he be good (without there being anything evil yet.)?
the serpent tells eve that the fruit of knowledge will make her like god, in that she will know the diffenece between good and evil. if god knew evil, then he also knew good, and thus chose to be good; just as lucifer chose to be evil.
the whole point of the bible is that man was not perfect creatures, but possessing the capacity to choose between perfection and imperfection. look at it this way, if to err is human then to not err would mean not to be human; therefore adam and eve were perfect humans-not perfect creatures.

and btw, Mnesymone, something that has interested me for a long time is, since you refer to yourself as the 'rememberer,' i cant help but think your name is derived fromt the greek goddess of memory, Mnemosyne. but why the spelling difference?
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 03:43 PM

Good answer dude. You're pretty fucken clued up. By the way, huge hugs to all the yanks out there going through such a hard time at the moment.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 03:55 PM

Gah, why didn't I think of that? Even though I believe in God, I believe that He is more human than most would like to believe. I'll have an arguement for you some other time. I must compile MY notes.

On a side note, God can and does tolerate sin. Otherwise it would be stupid to ask for forgiveness. God would just destroy you anyways because you sinned.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (xenduck @ Sep 6 2005, 12:28 PM)
the whole point of the bible is that man was not perfect creatures, but possessing the capacity to choose between perfection and imperfection.

The Bible is a bunch of books, some quasi-historical, others biographical, others philosphical. These books were written ages apart and not with the intention that they would be compiled. They have no central point.

I won't try to prove not-God, since that can't be done for anything. You can't prove a negative; all you can do is to assume the positive until it leads to a contradiction. Every contradiction so far for the all-goodness of God is pretty much flatly ignored by Christians. For instance: to prove Abraham's obedience, God asks him to sacrifice his only son. Abraham is willing to do it, so God stops him before he goes through with it. This final act, God backing out of the request, is seen as an example of God's "goodness" and "love," since the point of the experiment was just to prove whether Abraham was obedient. I say that the only thing this story shows is that Might makes Right, and God reversing his order at the end doesn't prove he's "good;" it just shows that while God can do anything he wants at any time because he is all-powerful, that doesn't mean he will always do anything he can.

Had God let Abraham kill his son, then it would have been "good " for Abraham to do so. God doesn't adhere to the principles of "goodness;" they are defined in terms of God. Had Abraham killed his own son, and had God decided to use that as an example that blind obedience is wrong, then it would have been "good" for God to smite Abraham for his sin of murder. And so on.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 05:42 PM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 6 2005, 04:30 PM)
I won't try to prove not-God, since that can't be done for anything.  You can't prove a negative.


Prove it.
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Posted 07 September 2005 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, saying "You can't disprove my position, so it's right!" is more than a little absurd. I'd like to let everyone know that I singlehandedly keep extraterrestrials from landing on the RIT campus parking lot by simply existing though. I'll let everybody else ask you for pieces of evidence that God does exist; I don't feel like getting into it. It's apocryphal both ways.


Good and evil are abstract concepts designed by man to keep order/safety in society, and meaningless outside of that context. Actions are relative and based upon individual personality, philosophy, and intent, and are not at all black and white. It's a loose continuum betwixt chaos and order, creation and destruction. Actions all along the spectrum are required to keep the universe in a constant balanced flux.

If some sort of omnipotent supreme being exists, why do so many always assume it possesses remotely human qualities/thought processes?

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