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Posted 02 September 2005 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Sep 2 2005, 11:03 AM)
Face it: Rampant homosexuality is to be coddled and praised. Express yourself differently and you're slapped with the title homophobe, bigot or republican. The morality of this country is going to hell in a handbasket good folks, and I hope not to see you there.

LOL!!!!

I have gone weeks in my life, I dare say months, without seeing any evidence of homosexuality. It is such a quiet thing that children call one another "gay" as a generic insult; the thing is such a mystery to them. On the other hand, rampant heterosexuality, and I mean fucking RAMPANT!, is impossible to ignore.

Has anyone seen the cover of this month's MAXIM? Hard to miss; they're marketing it at the counter now in 7-11; time was it was on the top shelf of the magazine rack, right beside the Playboy. And it's not just the celebrity skin mags; it's gotten to the point where children's mags are fixated on physical attractiveness, and usually of the female kind. I don't see how homosexuality is chiselling away at the moral fibre of a nation that is one step away from declaring female pubic hair unconstitutional.

Hate gays all you want, and rail all you like about liberal politics or a media bias. I don't know where you're getting it, of course, because the media is selling female skin to straight boys as young as 5, and the girls themselves usually don't have to be more than 12 or 13 to be made into sex symbols. Rampant homosexuality, indeed. I haven't heard a claim so ridiculous since we were all told to watch out for the killer bees.
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 02:08 PM

Your Maxim example just supports my statement about morality in general. Every crack, every fissure breaches our society with new standards. My overall complaint is the rupture in my church, but yeah, I'll side with you that mores have changed. Not for the better in my humble opinion.

Will and Grace, Ellen, In your face gay weddings and the like have become the benchmark for the ever changing acceptable lifestyle- in addition to your pubic hair and foul language on tv. this is the debate forum, so we're not supposed to agree, right? At least I'm standing up for what I believe in. It would be so much easier to ignore the whole issue.

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And I only list the above to refute your comment. The only reason I mentioned the gay thing/Episcopal church issue is because I felt like Slade's slashing comment was aimed at me. Maybe I just need to leave my church for like minded folks-Because my church certainly left those who stand with tradition.
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Patrick Bateman @ Sep 2 2005, 03:59 AM)
By the way, I'm not a fucken hypocrite.
My whole point about hating homosexuals is that you're hate is evil, because you are hating a person not an opinion. I hate christianity and the christians who practice christianity with a capital C.
Nice try buddy, but that's not hypocricy.
By the way, next time you think I'm an idiot for hating Chritianity and liking homosexuals then ask yourself how many people died during the crusades and compare that to how many people died at the hands of boy george.

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alright you prick with a capital P tongue.gif i never said i hated homosexuals, if you were literate you would understand that. you are a flaming hypocrite because you told me not to flame and not to hate on people, yet you are bashing christians. if you cant talk calmly about this topic, then stay the hell away from it.

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Sep 2 2005, 02:08 PM)
Will and Grace, Ellen, In your face gay weddings and the like have become the benchmark for the ever changing acceptable lifestyle- in addition to your pubic hair and foul language on tv. this is the debate forum, so we're not supposed to agree, right? At least I'm standing up for what I believe in. It would be so much easier to ignore the whole issue.

Ellen's show was cancelled the same season she came out, and she now has a talk show where she never ever ever mentions her sexuality or her personal life. Rosie O'Donnell's show was cancelled the year she came out amd now you can comfortably never ever hear about her in any context whatsoever. Will and Grace is about men behaving fabulously, talking with inflected lisps and wearing fitted Ts. No men ever have sex on that show, and if I recall correctly Will eventually fathered Grace's child. Other great examples, including the briefly popular makeover show QUEER EYE, only existed to perpetuate a dumb stereotype that gay men dress and live better than straight men because they're not afrid that their friends are going to call them gay. Again, very little to zero sodomy in a show that focussed on getting men to be better boyfriends to the women in their lives.

I have never had a gay wedding in my face, but I see straight wedding shops and magazines everywhere I go. Along with the Maxim mags and the like I metioned, there are a few dozen straight wedding catalogs for sale every month.

I applaud you for standing up for what you believe in; more people should. However apart from some anecdote about a rigged election some place, I don't see any evidence for this national fag conspiracy or this slide toward rampant homosexuality that you mention. I am frankly puzzled why you believe there is one. As for the erosion of sexual mores, my point is that heterosexuals are doing that more and more, while homosexuals by and large are becoming more conservative and polite about keeping their sexuality to themselves.

I continue to be unconvinced by any of the examples you have presented nor by your argument in general. Where do you live that you see so many gay weddings, where are these gay weddings being used not to hook up two gay people but more to make some political point, and in what way can you show that homosexual sex is more prevalent than, say, bus stop ads of Jessica Alba poledancing in a cowboy suit in SIN CITY?
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Sep 2 2005, 02:08 PM)
Your Maxim example just supports my statement about morality in general.

In case I haven't stressed this enough in the previous post: My MAXIM example makes no ground towards proving your point about rampant homosexuality erroding our sexual mores. It is a COUNTER example, since rampant heterosexuality is ever on the rise, but you can go weeks without ever seeing any but the fags you personally seek out (for instance, by visiting this parish you talk about, with the fag bishop you don't like).

I can go weeks without hearing or seeing anything to do with homosexuality. Oddly enough, whenever I hear or see anything about homosexuality, it's in the form of some Christian argument about how homosexuality is on the rise.
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Sep 2 2005, 05:40 PM)
In case I haven't stressed this enough in the previous post: My MAXIM example makes no ground towards proving your point about rampant homosexuality erroding our sexual mores.  It is a COUNTER example, since rampant heterosexuality is ever on the rise, but you can go weeks without ever seeing any but the fags you personally seek out (for instance, by visiting this parish you talk about, with the fag bishop you don't like).

I can go weeks without hearing or seeing anything to do with homosexuality.  Oddly enough, whenever I hear or see anything about homosexuality, it's in the form of some Christian argument about how homosexuality is on the rise.


Actually the percentage of humans who are homosexual has remained fairly constant. We see more because we are not as quick to kill them for being visible in societies. Actually homo sapiens sapiens is the 'gay' species; we often have sex for fun.
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 12:11 AM

I am a devout Christian who opposes anything God does. That includes homosexualality... innocent.gif
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 02:19 AM

I think you need to reword that statement, do you mean that you oppose God or follow blindly. I am going to assume that it is the latter. I question God and myself on a pretty regular basis. I do it to strengthen my faith in God, and in myself. It is a part of morality, questioning your actions and the actions of those around you (and it doesn't have to be physically). Personally, as I have said I have friends that are gay. They are generally all around good people. I believe that if God has a beef with them for it, it isn't a very big one. How can being gay possibly measure up to some of the other sins, or combinations of them. Here is an example that is very extreme and goes out to anyone that is really against gay people and believes that they will be cast into Hell (or wherever) because of it.

Would you rather:

A: I came over to your house and had sex with you (for girls just go with the flow 'kay)

or

B: I came over to your house, murdered you and any other persons present, defecated on your corpse, cut you up into smaller pieces (some of which I ate), scattered your inside across your home, burn your house to the ground, raped the first woman I met, tortured someone, etc.

Obviously the questions are rhetorical. Answer B is made up of many small thing that anyone of them would be far worse than same sex relations. I am sorry if anyone finds my example to be extremely offensive to them.
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 03:03 AM

God does not oppose homosexuality. Again, I challenge all of you who believe that to find some justification from books you actually follow that isn't crazy ranting.

Edit: Despondant, I didn't mean to slash you, I just felt that your point seemed a little silly, and then counter-pointed myself.

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 05:10 AM

It's true, you can't watch a movie with out some useless gay side character, who makes some lame ass comment like "boy he's cute, yes I'm gay look at me". I know, I'm a video store clerk. There is always a useless gay friend role.

It goes much deeper than that. All gay male roles are seen as comical or really horny were all female roles are seen as rigid and 'dark' looking. This does play close to reality since I see it every day. But they play it out in a really annoying manner. They're almost too gay for their own good. I quote a scene from a TEENAGER MOVIE - MEAN GIRLS

Dark brooding girl who may be a lesbian but most likely not :You've out gay'd yourself -Commenting on her gay male friend, who just said something along the lines of "barbra streisan, pink fluffy kittens' (or something stupid along those lines)

The fat gay character in mean girls was completely useless. The whole inclusion of him just reaked of political agenda. They tried to use his gayness as a comical back drop. But it failed BIG TIME.

That is just a smack to the face. The roles are always reminding us that they are gay, just incase we forgot about the last 50 scenes where their gayness was again served to us with a bullet to the brain.

Gay's are not a norm yet. Some really ugly lesbians were kissing and holding eachother in my vid store the other day, I noticed that the other customers had their heads in the exact opposite line of sight to that of the lesbians. So people are uncomfortable with them. Ya, you can drink coffee with a homo, but try drink coffee with him while his boy friend is snuggling with him. It's really tense.

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 01:39 PM

MEAN GIRLS... that's the one where they had those high school girls dancing in sexy Santa suits, parading their shaven "teenaged" legs and hint of panties?

Yeah, the strong fag agenda in that movie made me run out and suck some dick.

Jordan, the comic relief fag replaced the comic relief nigger in teen films about ten years ago. I wouldn't suspect a fag conspiracy; look no further than some Hollywood formula and the fact that black folks won't put up anymore with being relegated to shit roles in white movies. Now blacks get starring roles in some of these films, and a lot of action films (where they traditionally had NO role), and fags are in the useless character slots.

It's not a gay group lobbying to get more useless parts for straight folks who like to make fun of fags. And what's the joke? Barbara Streisand? Uh... what is this? 1975? The stereotype they're using to typify fags is one of fags in their 40s, not teen fags. I dare say more teen fags are into Trent Reznor, and couldn't name a Streisand song if you offered them a lifetime subscription to Details.

This inclusion of gays in throwaway roles in Hollywood films has nothing to do with the issue of gay inclusion in society; these parts are being written by and acted by straight people. When straight Hollywood types get tired of these gags and stop including them in their stupid movies, fags will still want to get married and Christianity will still be undermining its purpose by equating itself consistently with this and only this argument for the rest of time.

Your example of the ugly lesbians: I pretty much look away whenever I see people kiss, but I will look away faster when ugly people kiss. The former act is out of respect for their privacy, and the latter out of a reaction to ugliness. Neither has anything to do with homophobia. So, speak for yourself, sure, but I'm not sure you can tell me why those other folks looked away.

Your example of the coffee with the fags: this sounds like confrontation therapy. So you're having coffee with demonstrative gay guys now? Good for you! I think you can say from experience now that there's no danger that their public affection is making you gay. All the public affection among straight people sure isn't making these fags straight. So I'd say we're pretty close to concluding that homosexuality is not learned behaviour.

Ergo: what's the big deal, beeyotch!???!!! Q.E.D.
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 04:40 PM

Yeah, I don't like watching people suck face, regardless of who's doing it and what gender. And watching people be very clingy can be obnoxious too (unless you're doing/receiving the clinging), but again, either gender.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 03:46 PM

well well well, here ive been slinking around the star wars forum and missing all these fund debates. it figures, only god could drag me away from the star wars convention. so who doesnt have an opinion of god? believe it or not, ive got a few opinions myself and i intened to bother as many people as possible with them. but a bit of warning to you logicians and atheists and agnostics, you simply cant win an argument against god; sorry, not possible. you are confined to logic/reason/empirical or a priori evidence; but the mystic has no such boundries. you may out smart your interlocutor (sp?) but you can never beat the argument in and of itself. BEWARE!


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Posted 04 September 2005 - 07:21 PM

QUOTE (ion eon @ Sep 3 2005, 12:11 AM)
I am a devout Christian who opposes anything God does.  That includes homosexualality... innocent.gif


I'm an actor who plays god on TV. and I oppose anything god does including people who cast judgement on others when it is not their place to do so.

further more i support the notion of freewill and not harming others mentioned in the bible...

at the same time, as i support free will, i support your opposition to homosexuality as long as it involves nothing more than you saying: "meh... it's not for me" or at the most... "ewww"
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Sep 3 2005, 05:10 AM)
Gay's are not a norm yet.  Some really ugly lesbians were kissing and holding eachother in my vid store the other day, I noticed that the other customers had their heads in the exact opposite line of sight to that of the lesbians. So people are uncomfortable with them.  Ya, you can drink coffee with a homo, but try drink coffee with him while his boy friend is snuggling with him.  It's really tense.


always with the ugly lesbians...

i don't car how christian you are... when to cute college girls are kissing we all LOOK!!!
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