[Hari Seldon]

If your born gay, then from a biblical stand point, some are born to lose.  That is if you think gay people who don't repent go to hell.

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I don't really know the bible or the do's and dont's to live a happy everafter life... but if I had to guess, I'd say most people nowadays "from a biblical stand point" wouldn't go to heaven.

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As for the bissexuals, I always regarded them as undecided gays (or simply more practical ones).

[civilian_number_two]

The gay debate is something I've been giving a lot of consideration as of late.

A: If your born gay, then from a biblical stand point, some are born to lose.  That is if you think gay people who don't repent go to hell.

B: But then I think of all the sexual things people do.  Civillian will call it a slippery slide or something, but what about all the other sexaul shit people get themselves in to.  Are they born like that or are they just having fun.  And what's the deal with Bi-sexuals?

C: I don't think divorce is a sin according the bible, so it wouldn't make sense for conservatives to outlaw it.  Divorce on grounds of audletery is ok.

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A: I don't.

B: Glad to see you've been paying attention. Yes, I would call that a Slippery Slope argument, the idea that allowing one thing will necessitate allowing all things. The simplest trivialisation of this is your mom's dumb-ass "If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you do that?" retort to your comment that all of the kids are going to the water park this weekend. Yeah, right mom. Talk to me when the pills wear off.

Anyway, yeah, I think there is a chance that some folks experiment with "gay" sex who are not gay. Folks just having fun who do not have a genuine attraction to their own sex. Bisexuals may be genuinely interested in both sexes, but from what I have seen they are homosexuals who have allowed social conditioning to normalize heterosexuality for them. Hence they don't mind sex with the other gender either. Problem is, they're going to end up on one side or the other, and society will decide then that they were either a) closeted homosexuals or experimenting heterosexuals. In my own travels I have not yet met anyone who moved freely between both states, but I hear they exist.

C: Ha ha ha! So you're saying that Conservatives actually want to make LAWS derived from the BIBLE! Those Conservatives would shuffle their feet and blush over that one! No, Conservatives always say that Gay Marriage is bad because children need two parents, and "traditional values," and stuff. Since their PRIMARY interest is children, and the need for two parents, then it makes sense that they should outlaw divorce. Remember, this was actually the legal reality not too long ago! What happened to the argument? Who God has joined let no man break asunder, and all that shit. Additionally, how about we work on some genuine and non-shit-eating secular arguments for these discussions of civil liberties? Cuz I don't know about you, but all this God talk is making me horny!

(PS: I hope you don't mind I added letters to the quote above, to make my response vaguely coherent.)

[Otal Nimrodi]

No, Bi-sexuals are genuinuly attracted to both genders. I have asked one. Boy, that came out wrong. What I mean is, I think that someone who has both "Interestingly" positioned men and women on their walls is probably genuinely attracted to both.

[Revan-47]

this is actually my opinion on homosexuality. its a brain disfunction. like retardation or autism. it has been scientifically proven that gays have different brainwaves then straight people. although there are those who just choose to be gay and i believe that is wrong, cuz it is kind of an insult to those who cant help it.

[Revan-47]

I don't really know the bible or the do's and dont's to live a happy everafter life... but if I had to guess, I'd say most people nowadays "from a biblical stand point" wouldn't go to heaven.

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As for the bissexuals, I always regarded them as undecided gays (or simply more practical ones).

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man people need to figure out that christianity isnt a list of dos and donts.

[Madam Corvax]

this is actually my opinion on homosexuality. its a brain disfunction. like retardation or autism. it has been scientifically proven that gays have different brainwaves then straight people. although there are those who just choose to be gay and i believe that is wrong, cuz it is kind of an insult to those who cant help it.

You know what, Revan? I think I am beginning to like you less and less. What you wrote above is very much in line with your comment "I am sorry for those who not believe in God "(for which you apologised several times, though).

Much as I admire your attempts to scientifically prove that homosexuality is a disease and much as I value scientific arguments, have you ever thought how people who are homosexuals might react to this comment? Homosexuality like retardation or autism? I think you should go and re-think your attitude.

[Chyld]

Personally, before we go about quoting such irrefutable scientific proof, I'd like to see evidence that this survey into the brainwaves of homosexuals actually exists. Got any links to a site with this on? Name the people studying this? (so I can beat them up for not researching something actually useful) Names? Dates? Anything? Otherwise, I'll be in the corner with MC.

[Hari Seldon]

man people need to figure out that christianity isnt a list of dos and donts.

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Ok. You're right about the do's.
But the church sure provides a hefty amount of dont's.

[Kirby]

Well, actually... umm... yeah.

I do believe that it is more nurture or equal amounts between nurture and nature.

this is actually my opinion on homosexuality. its a brain disfunction. like retardation or autism. it has been scientifically proven that gays have different brainwaves then straight people. although there are those who just choose to be gay and i believe that is wrong, cuz it is kind of an insult to those who cant help it.

Oh Jesus, while it is true that it is genetic, it falls more in the blue eyes/brown eyes catigory.

[Chyld]

Well, OK, it being a genetic thing is something I could accept. Calling it "a brain disfunction. like retardation or autism" is, I think, condesending, untactful (this is coming from somone who deplores political correctness), and is there such a mental illness as "retardation"?

[Patrick Bateman]

Sweet Jesus! Homosexuality compared to retardation????
How could someone with such a supposed open heart have such a closed mind?
Give me one reason why homosexuality, bisexuality, consensual orgies ... are in any way bad.
One, just one, and don't pull the old "because God says so" argument. In the bible God says a lot of things which most christians nowadays do not follow, the main things however he seems unwavering about and provides backup reasons. Sexual acts that differ from the Missionary postion are of the former, not the latter.
Seriously dude. Give me one reason .... I'm waiting ....

[Rhubarb]

I'd take anti-gays a lot more seriously if they'd just admit that they were against it cos "it's icky".

Oscar Wilde = retardated :D

[SithAvenger]

Yesterday I went to church. I had too because my bro was celebrating his graduation so the school decided that a special event in church so the kids to thank god was right. Man, the bible stories are boring but everything else is fine. I want to be in peace with God so I decided to at least go to church once a month.

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[Patrick Bateman]

I have to agree Rhubarb. I too find the thought of two guys making out icky, but so what? That doesn't give me the right to bring them down. I also find the thought of old people, ugly people, my parents, in fact almost anyone else making out a little icky, as I'm sure most people feel when thinking about me making out with someone. In the end it comes down to

Is this hurting the person. No
Is this hurting anyone else. No

Are they getting a kick out of it. Yes

All good then ... except when it comes to my parents. They should never make out again... ever.

[Revan-47]

You know what, Revan? I think I am beginning to like you less and less. What you wrote above is very much in line with your comment "I am sorry for those who not believe in God "(for which you apologised several times, though).

Much as I admire your attempts to scientifically prove that homosexuality is a disease and much as I value scientific arguments, have you ever thought how people who are homosexuals might react to this comment? Homosexuality like retardation or autism? I think you should go and re-think your attitude.

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first of all, what i meant in that they are similar, is that its a birth defect. those were the words i was looking for. for example, up until he found out for sure he was gay, my cousin did not lead a normal life. never had a girlfriend, felt constantly out of the crowd, had no friends. obviously things that derive from a birth defect. much like my other autistic cousin people could tell he was different even before his parents found out he was autistic. Homosexuals can function exactly the same as other people. im not saying they are any less capable or any less of a human being for being that way. i was just saying that true homosexuality is a result of a birth defect.