This post has been edited by Otal Nimrodi: 14 September 2005 - 03:52 PM
God Any christians on the forums?
#543
Posted 14 September 2005 - 04:57 PM
I didn't say a thing about it.
But, seriously lets discuss God or whatever any of you believe in.
Its all Jordan's fault
But, seriously lets discuss God or whatever any of you believe in.
Its all Jordan's fault
Apparently writing about JM here is his secret weakness. Muwahaha!!!! Now I have leverage over him and am another step closer towards my goal of world domination.
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#551
Posted 14 September 2005 - 11:15 PM
I think that the flood could quite have possibly have been local. This was the center of human civilization at the time. Just because they never saw any mountain tops, doesn't mean that they weren't there. Heck, the ark might have come to rest on a hill. The thing that really gets me is that shady business with two or so of every kind of animal to repopulate the world (What about, like say peguinns or the different kinds of each species etc.. ). And the fact that there wouldn't be very many people left over. Now that's what I call incest up the wazzoo. Still, I do believe that it had happened in some form or another.
Apparently writing about JM here is his secret weakness. Muwahaha!!!! Now I have leverage over him and am another step closer towards my goal of world domination.
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
"And the Evil that was vanquished shall rise anew. Wrapped in the guise of man shall he walk amongst the innocent and Terror shall consume they that dwell upon the Earth. The skies will rain fire. The seas shall become as blood. The righteous shall fall before the wicked! And all creation shall tremble before the burning standards of Hell!" - Mephisto
Kurgan X showed me this web comic done with Legos. It pokes fun at all six Star Wars films and I found it to be extremely entertaining.
<a href="http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html" target="_blank">http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html</a>
#553
Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:20 PM
Here's the way I see it. The bible says that god is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. The bible says that god is a shepherd too, right?<-Rhetorical question- The bible also says that god knows everything thats going to happen. The bible ALSO says that god gives us free will. So, god is the infinitisimally intellegent adult, and we are the three year old who tries to touch the hot stove (SIN ) So, God tells us not to touch said stove, but he (omniscient, remember?) KNOWS that we will touch the stove. If he were a shepherd, he would prevent us from hurting ourselves. He does not prevent this.
Conclusion: The Bible is wrong.
Christian response: God knows we will do bad things. But he uses the harm that comes from our indescretions to teach us a lesson.
My response: If god is perfect, and he created us, then he could have made us with the lesson we learned already programmed into our heads. The world is an ok place to be, but its a long way from perfect. An omnibenevolent god who was also omnipotent would not want his creations living in a world like ours. Conclusion: god cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient.
A Christian response: His ways are not our ways.
My response: Why wouldn't they be? The fact that God can't just create a perfect world would mean that he has to follow rules.
Conclusion: His ways may very well not be our ways, but if that is the case, then god is not omnipotent.
And if you are a christian, and you hold to the idea of god not following the same ways we do, then you can't preach to anyone, because no one can know the mind of god if that is the case. So stop being so damned self righteous about your self-contradictory faith.
Conclusion: The Bible is wrong.
Christian response: God knows we will do bad things. But he uses the harm that comes from our indescretions to teach us a lesson.
My response: If god is perfect, and he created us, then he could have made us with the lesson we learned already programmed into our heads. The world is an ok place to be, but its a long way from perfect. An omnibenevolent god who was also omnipotent would not want his creations living in a world like ours. Conclusion: god cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient.
A Christian response: His ways are not our ways.
My response: Why wouldn't they be? The fact that God can't just create a perfect world would mean that he has to follow rules.
Conclusion: His ways may very well not be our ways, but if that is the case, then god is not omnipotent.
And if you are a christian, and you hold to the idea of god not following the same ways we do, then you can't preach to anyone, because no one can know the mind of god if that is the case. So stop being so damned self righteous about your self-contradictory faith.
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