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I’m not talking about context or interpretation. I’m just point out your grammatical error.
No, you're trying to make it look like the Quran simply says "You should go out and kill anyone who isn't of your religion" and that is not true. Here, let me show you why:
"If Abbey is discovered to have killed and raped several fluffy animals, even shall ye kill Abbey."
Now, I did TECHNICLY just say "kill Abbey" but it's being taken out of context and without it's context it has the meaning that it appears to have. When you take the final two words of that sentence and attribute it to me it looks like I'm promoting violence against you, but when you read it in context it's a CONDITIONAL sentence. Here's another example:
"As soon as a reliable fusion reactor has been adapted to space flight we can easily send men to Pluto"
You could easily use the last part of that sentence in a misleading fashion, and that's precisely what you're doing with your Quranic passages. The Quran never does say "kill the unbelievers" it says "kill disbelievers IF..." There's a difference.
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To which I again reply: So, at least we never hooked their fillings up to car batteries when we captured them. So we made em wear underwear on their head. Who fucking cares? That’s a fraternity prank, not torture. How bout the wood chippers Saddam used to throw his prisoners into.
"It's true that I did beat a few people to death and torture hundreds your honor, and in some situations that might make me a murderer and torturer, but I wish to point out that umm, you know... This one time I heard Saddam Hussein hooked someones fillings to a battery so it's ok! The defense rests."
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Oh here we go… Don’t even start comparing Auschwitz to Guantanamo bay. There IS no comparison.
Really? I can think of one right off the bat- the international community thinks/thought both need/ed to be shut down.
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It would help your argument greatly.
Why is it that to say Cuba is good I have to go there, but to say, "Noone would ever want to live in Cuba" Renegade and you don't have to do anything?
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You’re making stuff up again. Give me a valid comparison that’s based on fact and I’ll try to answer your question to the best of my ability.
Ok, valid comparison huh? Bush can order bombing raids day and night over all of Iraq but he's never A been to Iraq or B been bombed.
The US keeps up a genocidal, cruel, inhumane and internationally condemned and illegal embargo against Cuba, and yet no US leader has had to suffer the privations they gladly inflict on the courageous people of Cuba.
Reagan was happy to supply arms and training to the Contras and Augusto Pinochet to overthrow 2 democratic governments and torture thousands, yet he never had to endure such torment and death himself or even see it, although it comes as some consolation to me that his last words were probably "Where am I? Are you the nurse that's supposed to change my diaper?" I'll always remember the day justice finally caught up with that sick piece of trash. I was protesting the war in the rain in DC and a reporter came by to tell us what had just happened and ask what we thought. I just quoted Malcolm X and said "Chickens coming home to roost."
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I don’t know a whole lot about those other folks you mentioned
Read up on them or check out a movie, I know there are at least 3 about Dr. Guevara and there's one about Patrice Lumumba but the names of the CIA agents are censored to protect them from any in this country with the guts to do justice for the man they had killed.
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I dont consider Hitler or Bin Laden to be monsters either
I'll agree on Bin Laden not being a monster, but I don't think I could ever defend Hitler unless there's an awful lot I don't know about the guy. It's cool that you've got an open mind about things but it's easy to be open minded about the past. In the present though it's hard to get anything done unless you know who's good and who's not, and I definately keep Bush and his kind on the not good side.
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Well his excellencey probably doesnt need your defending him either, but you still do it.
Really? There's a veritable chorus of idiots in this nation who want to see Cuba become a US territory again. In Miami Cuban terrorists walk the streets freely and plot bombings or whatever else they're up to. I hope you've heard of the Padillo Carilla case. The man was working for the CIA when he blew up a jet carrying Cuban olympians. And the US refuses to extradite this man to any nation where he would face justice or to try him. Cuba and it's leader need all the support they can get in the US so that the embargo and aggression and terrorism can be ended.
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Mostly I just don’t care.
Afraid to look into it? Think it might jar that happy go lucky freedom land view you have of the US to know that thousands of good men are in prison or on death row just for demanding their rights as human beings under the banner of the BPP? You'll take up the defense of Bush but people who have noone to speak for them, no secret services to defend them, who are left to rot by the very man you defend, you "just don't care" about them. Compassionate conservative indeed.
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Isnt it nice to live in a country where you can just protest anything you want without fear of being shot in the street. Good for you! Way to exercise your rights!
BAH BAH BAH BULLLSHIT. You've never marched in your life. At one of the recent rallies the cops tried to split the march in two, making a baracade between us. I was in the vanguard and the cops had tried to cordon us off and surround us so we had to charge their lines once or twice and link arms until we could pull them apart, keeping close together so they couldnt drag any of us off and make arrests. And that's just personal experience. None of the people I run with have ever been arrested, mainly because we know what we're doing.
When I go to a protest of course I'm half afraid, but I use it productively. You leave your id and any drugs or knives behind incase they search you and you use a sturdy stick to hold your sign incase you need to fight back, and you don't wear anything like a necklace or a backback that a cop can grab on to.
And if you think that's the worst of it why not check out Kent State or the Chicago pig attacks or what your great Ronald Reagan had the national guard do to some protesters when he was governor of California? Or do you not care?
We server our country, not our president. Thanks for the insult though! (p.s. I had a free ride to collage but still chose to serve my country you fucking prick) (P.P.S I hate to resort to name calling but that last thing about boys and girls dumb or poor enough really hurt)
My appologies. Misguided sandwiches. And what the military has done in Vietnam, Iraq, etc, that does not serve the country in anyway. Those wars served Mcdonnel Douglass, Boeing, Dow Chemical, Richard Nixon and George Bush. That's it.
From what I understand, the Iranian people (especially the youth) love America. Its not too far out of the question that they would support him. Besides, we wont put troops on the ground. We would just hit the nuclear facilities. They probably wouldn’t hate us too bad.
HAHAHAHAHA! Oh man, where does your mind start and the propaganda stop? Do you actually believe that??? Yeah, Iranians will welcome Bush as a great liberator. Just like Iraqis did.
Edit: Play nice. Stop killing the kittens with insults.
-Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
This post has been edited by Slade: 17 February 2006 - 01:03 AM