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Do you really have to leave a country to say anything bad about it?
Because you think everything America has done in the past 250 years+ has been immoral/wrong/unjustified/worse thing ever... you also believe that the govt elected is tyrannical and COMPARABLE to Hitler. You pay into the govt, you remain here absorbing its benefits, yet obviously have a deep hatred for EVERYTHING that America and its foreign policy stands for. I'd just like you to admit that your here because this country owns everywhere and therefor you stay out of lexury and just hope we change course and don't think the cause is important nuff to actually go and do something about it.
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You never get off your lazy imperialism backing ass and you're saying I'm not doing enough?
See the difference is, I don't HAVE too. I've never said we HAD to be in Iraq and I never said I supported this president or this cause. I've said nothing that really might inspire me to go to war, my point this entire time has been that you DO believe America is shit and you're still here paying taxes that directly fund murdering of arabs. I'm WAAAAAAAAAAAITING for you to say, I <3 America cause it owns..
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Renegade, when even Jordan admits we're an imperial power, as he did in the article posted, it's time to stop lying and just face facts.
I'm talking colonizing in the old defined sense.
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Of course the government will never fall.
How/Why would it fall?.... if the people REALLY wanted change in the country they simply could vote for a change in congress and/or president... the only thing that could be concievable is that a state just wanted to succeed which just wouldn't happen because states already have a decent autonomy (though not as much since liberals have stretched the federal govt's power but neway) and would be worse off alone than apart of the union... not to mention no state has a particlar military anyway.
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So the only real Muslim is one who makes clear their faith by their dress and looks so they can be easily identified?
So if they don't wanna do what's part of their religious text, why are they that religion? Listen, religion isn't about "taking what you like", its about following a strict life style. If you don't, your just a poser. You aren't REALLY religious, you just sorta go along with whatever parts of it make you feel good in your head. That's how life is with all religions. I don't really care what "moderate" muslims say because moderate muslims just took what is OBVIOUSLY good in society already that happens to be in islam as well and made it apart of their life. For example, muslims believe in abstinence before marriage; BIG DEAL so does society now. Muslims believe drinking is immoral; BIG DEAL, a lot of people believe alcohol is bad. Muslims believe women have to wear scarves; whoops society doesn't think thats normal behavior nemore, so people ditch that.
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Hey, you're an imperialist, but you don't wear a flag on your shoulders or goose step everywhere and say "Heil Bush" so I guess you must not REALLY love this country. Maybe YOU should be leaving.
You're ignorance to an argument hurts my head -___-... read up to realize why this comparison just doesn't make sense. Nvm, ill spell it out for. There is no book on "to support my country". However there is a book on what muslims must do. If you pork cause you like it or don't put on a scarf cause it feels like crap, then you aint as religious as you think. Simple as that.
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1: And how many has the US violated? For instance, the invasion of Panama, the embargo on Cuba continuing? Aren't all of those against UN resolutions and law?
Blah blah, America is satan yadayadayada. The point is right now, was Bush invading Iraq JUSTIFIED and you did nothing to counter the fact that he was violating UN resolutions. And again with embarga shit? Do we really have to go over this again why thats not violating international laws? I thought we'd gone over this now like a zillion times but I guess you wanna continue to spew out fallacy...
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2: How do you prove that you don't have something. I think you missed a certain invasion of Slade's dorm I organized because he couldn't prove that he didn't have a board with a nail in it, and because I wanted his X Box.
Governments GENERALLY have a paper trail when they destroy large sums of biological/chemical weapons... it's not like oh lets empty out the trash! Especially when you know you are gonna have to show proof to the UN that you did what the resolutions asked you to do. Either he was just BLATENTLY and I mean BLATENTLY stupid and destroyed the paper trail, or he really did have something left. I'd say he was just stupid and wanted people to still think he had em (ie. Iran) so that he'd still look like he had some power, but thats just my opinion. Eitherway, no proof of their destruction = his fault.
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3: If he had weapons, he'd have had them for ten years. It dosn't make sense that he would only now have become a danger and needed to be attacked.
Irrelevent, just because past administrations/people didn't do what must of been done, doesn't mean we shouldn't now. The argument is too weak, you either believe his invasion was justified anytime, or never at all.
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4: That is because Bush cooked the books. The executive controls intelligence agencies and the decisions of just about everyone were based off the intelligence Bush ordered to be altered.
So why did Clinton state in '98 it was the goal of American foreign policy to get rid of Saddam and continually bombed them in order to supposidly take out there wmd facilities? Didn't hear anybody crying back then. And the whole claim that Bush "cooked" the books is ridiculous. People WAY before he came into power suspected Saddam had em, and he didn't cook OTHER countries intelligence either now did he?
And what about the 500000 who were killed by the US led embargo?
I'm not a fan of embargo/sanctions but its a right of a country to do it to anyone they want. It's also shady because the point is that Saddam was evil and we wanted him out and we figured trading with him would just make him stronger and make him cause more trouble. In my opinion, embargo/sanctions shouldn't exist (especially on communist/religious states) because they never succeed in removing that person/party and it generally only hurts the people. If you wanna smoke someone out just go ahead and do it with the military, it'll prolly end up killing less people anyway. Which btw is another reason why sanctions/embargo < us just invading him.
So your point is that if we weren't killing and torturing someone else would be, so we might as well. I'm sure THAT will hold up in court.
No that wasn't my point. My point is that realistically, your portraying an Iraq before us as like some sanctuary where as things were worse with NO chance of improving where as now things are worse(because theres a war going on) but actually HAVE a chance of getting better. Plus the captives now are atleast soldiers where as before they were just anyone who said Saddam likes men.
I wonder if this statement puts you in the running for a gold star.
Lol i was basically just speaking tongue in cheek and didn't mean it to be actually serious. My point though was that Chinese religions have always been too pacifist for their own good and prolly have caused them to get taken over a couple zillion times. Eitherway though, I was kidding and yes I do believe buddhism is a way of life more so than what is defined as a religion though thats neither an insult nor a compliment. It's just a fact.
This post has been edited by Renegade: 01 February 2006 - 03:16 AM