[Dr Lecter]

Freedom is the wool that the government pull over your eyes, the flag is what they use to distract you while they pull the wool away from you. I laugh at any idea of any of us being free, the world is too corrupt for anyone to be free under the current type of capitalism.

[Sailor Abbey]

Freedom is the wool that the government pull over your eyes, the flag is what they use to distract you while they pull the wool away from you. I laugh at any idea of any of us being free, the world is too corrupt for anyone to be free under the current type of capitalism.

how does captitalism diminish freedom?

also... what are those little blue c's under people avatars?

[Gobbler]

how does captitalism diminish freedom?

If it's not controlled, then it's very likely to cause people to take measures which diminish freedom, just so they can make profit.

also... what are those little blue c's under people avatars?

Just a little indicator, indicating how many posts you've posted.

[Sailor Abbey]

If it's not controlled, then it's very likely to cause people to take measures which diminish freedom, just so they can make profit.

what economic system can claim immunity from the same problems? I'm not being sarcastic, id really like to be more educated on the subject.

[Dr Lecter]

how does captitalism diminish freedom?

J m will probably get here to answer that before I can stop laughing. All I can say is, why the fuck should people interested only in money, give a second thought to freedom, which costs money.

This post has been edited by Dr Lecter: 01 February 2006 - 04:43 PM

[Sailor Abbey]

J m will probably get here to answer that before I can stop laughing. All I can say is, why the fuck should people interested only in money, give a second thought to freedom, which costs money.

ok. well then, what economic system does not diminish freedom. If you hate capitalism, which economic system would you prefer. Or do you just want to bitch without offering a better alternative.

[Jordan]

Being able to own land, run for office, take advantage of multitudes of government programs, regardless of your religion, nationality, or how stupid you are.

LOL, yes stupidy is not seen as a flaw. It gives people like me hope. I will one day be prime minister of Canada.

[Dr Lecter]

Well, although I am not a hardline Communist, I think it would help to uncorrupt alot of the faults in capitalism. I see myself more as a Liberal-Socialist-Anarchist, thus I believe that the middle classes should take the forefront of the ecomony, supported by working classes, and in return they recieve increased rights and support, meanwhile the upper classes are made pretty much obsolete. Since no culture, has any need for the upper class, between the middle and working classes pretty much all bases are covered.

[Otal Nimrodi]

Hit the nail on the head there, good doctor.

[Deepsycher]

For one fair economic system I can think off, to benefit most in a small place is bartering. With bartering people are working to earn a living to the point. For money it could be a universal way to pay for services but at the same time bound to finding ways to earn it which can lead to inequalities.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 01 February 2006 - 05:32 PM

[Sailor Abbey]

Well, although I am not a hardline Communist, I think it would help to uncorrupt alot of the faults in capitalism. I see myself more as a Liberal-Socialist-Anarchist, thus I believe that the middle classes should take the forefront of the ecomony, supported by working classes, and in return they recieve increased rights and support, meanwhile the upper classes are made pretty much obsolete. Since no culture, has any need for the upper class, between the middle and working classes pretty much all bases are covered.

Right because that really worked in the USSR, Romani, Veitnam. They end up being military dictatorshipts. Besides, if I'm smart enough to figure out a way to run a business and distribute goods in services in return for goods and services, why shouldnt I be allowed to keep what I have rightly earned? Sounds like that economic system would be encroaching on my rights rather than adding to them.

Short Story:

Bob is smart. Bob figured out how to make lemonade. Bob figures out how to market lemonade. Bob sells a shitload of lemonade and makes millions.

Dave is a lazy bastard who lives at home and beat super mario in 12 min. His mom kicks him out. Dave has to make money to support himself.

Dave is an underachiever. Dave makes a halfassed attempt to sell lemonade. He makes very little.

Why should Bob suffer and have to give some of his hard earned money to some idiot who doesnt deserve it. Because thats what communism is all about. We all share. We even share with people who dont deserve it.

Dave gets a shitload of money from Bob. Dave has learned that he doesnt need to try to excel and be competative because the Daves of the world will be paying for his new Super Mario 2.



i meant the Bobs of the world of course

[Otal Nimrodi]

Dave beat Mario in twelbe minutes? GO DAVE!

[Deepsycher]

I call that Conmunism. They should be expected to produce some effort in exchange for incoming support.

In this case of not doing anything, "If he cannot be bothered to move up the ladder, why give him a ladder at all?"

Perhaps Mario could climb the ladder for him.

This post has been edited by Deepsycher: 01 February 2006 - 06:52 PM

[Otal Nimrodi]

Yeah, see, Dave is worthwhile!

[Sailor Abbey]

I call that Conmunism. They should be expected to produce some effort in exchange for incoming support.

In this case of not doing anything, "If he cannot be bothered to move up the ladder, why give him a ladder at all?"

Perhaps Mario could climb the ladder for him.

So who ensures Dave contributes? Local officials? State officials? Military? Certainly not Dave (since Dave doesnt give a shit - no sense of personal responsibility) Who decides which individuals are fit to be apart of the community and share Bobs earnings? Some government leader no doubt. Government government government. Lets give all the power to the government. The government knows best. The government knows how to best spend your money. The government knows what you deserve and what rights you are entitled too.

What happend to the people being able to spend thier money as they choose. Why cant Bob give money to the charaties of his choice. Why does Bob have to give his money to the Government so THEY can redistribute it as THEY see fit. Where did Bobs freedoms go?

Oh thats right - Bob no longer has any.