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The Coming of the Antichrist A point abot the prequels

#1 User is offline   Mnesymone Icon

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:00 AM

Inasmuch as I have been able to work out, here is the prequels Anakin story, told chronologically as distinct from the flow of the films. (Please note this isn't a hannibalistic allegory, just a theory that is fairly observable from the films)

ten years prior to Phantom Menace, Sidious or Plagueis created Anakin.
During the Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon Jinn discovers Anakin and brings him before the council, claiming that he is the chosen one, the one who will bring balance to the Force.
During Attack of the Clones is becomes apparent that the Jedi are becoming less receptive to the Force - the Dark Side of the Force has disturbed the peace Jedi require to open themselves to the Force. They believe that Anakin will somehow bring balance to the Force, so that they will once more be open to the Force.
During Revenge of the Sith it becomes revealed, apparently, that Anakin was created by the Dark Lord of the Sith to become a weaponin his hand - Anakin surrenders to the Dark Side of the Force and is transformed anew into Darth Vader. Thusly he is a sort of Antichrist - created by the Dark Lord to appear to be a saviour but in the end become a destroyer. He brings balance to the force by literally evening the numbers.

However, this does not entirely sit with Vader as he was portrayed in the original trilogy. In the OT he is almost sheer darkness - an unstoppable militant force of evil. Ultimately however, as there is darkness in the son there is good in the father and Vader is redeemed and dies in peace.

If Vader was the mythic destroyer in the prequels, why is he redeemed and how is he redeemable. The Vader that emerged from the prequels was built for evil - he was designed with the express purpose of murdering the everholy crap out of anything and everything - by the end he ran on darkness, and it formed a means and an end... from somewhere in there we get 'there is good in him' and finally 'you were right about me.'
Something about this doesn't sit right with me... Vader's redemption always seemed somewhat hollow but when you add in the prequel idea of Vader being created by the Dark Side of the Force then it seems even stranger.
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 08:02 AM

Even if Sith were involved in his creation, still Shmi, a good person, was his loving mother. He was not Darkside incarnated, and his mother taught him what love is. As a human being he had free will. And he could still be a chosen one, concept like in christianity- all Satan shall do, will give fruits according to the will of God.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 01:40 PM

I like the idea of Vader being created to be a false Chosen One but ultimately turning out to actually *be* the Chosen One. In other words, the Sith's own creation backfires on them and is the method by which they are finally exterminated from the galaxy.

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 02:06 AM

I know you don't want to, but you sound a lot like Hannibal.

EDIT: By the way, good point Mnesymone! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 02:11 AM

I never enjoyed the idea of 'chosen one'. It especially does not work in the PT since we all know he's going to fall. The audience will never buy the 'chosen one' label because we already know it's false.

I guess it's suppose to be intelligent that his Son turns out to be the chosen one and not him, like it skips a generation, but again, we already knew that. I'm not sure why LUcas added it in. IT seemed like dead weight story to me.

I don't think this movie follows any christian principles. In fact, the idea of the force and Jedi mentality is total blasphemy. Jedi's rely on nature and energy, not God.

The only Christian principle that SW adopts is Vader's redemption. If Vader felt true conviction and repented, then according to scripture he could go to heaven, regardless of the mayhem he caused.

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Thusly he is a sort of Antichrist - created by the Dark Lord to appear to be a saviour but in the end become a destroyer.


I guess this part hold true. The only difference is that Anakin is never really worshiped or even slightly praised. The council hates him. HEck, I hated him. There was no deception, Mace never trusted Anakin, neither did OB1. THe only person on the planet who gave a damn about him was QUI GONN.

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 12:04 PM

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THe only person on the planet who gave a damn about him was QUI GONN.


You know, I think maybe Qui Gonn was more Sith than Jedi. Just look at some of his actions and attitudes. They are a lot closer to the OT Jedi than any of his PT Jedi buds, who would consider his "feelings" oriented and "disobedience/disrespect" not Jedi-worthy. Maybe "balance in the Force" was closer to drawing from both sides of the Force, and less Dark v. Light. It seemed that Lucas didn't want people to side with the Jedi in the PT. Like he wanted them to distrust and dislike them. Hmmm. . . I wonder. Anyway.
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 08:08 PM

I never got the idea that luke was a 'chosen one' - being Luke was always good enough for me - and as for people saying that Vader was still the chosen one because he killed the Emperor there's a fairly simple point - why does he count as a good guy by doing what he was planning to do as a bad guy?

And as for Qui-Gon being Sith... well he was trained by Dooku wasn't he... just like Grievous or Versejj - CONSPIRACY THEORY!
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 10:37 PM

That's right.

He went to Duke U.
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