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#46 User is offline   KurganX Icon

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:07 AM

QUOTE (KurganX @ Jan 11 2006, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, you are imagining things. I saw the movie twice in the theaters close together (when I was 21) and I never saw such scenes. You're probably inserting them in your mind via the Episode I Insider's Guide and other places you've seen those stills and descriptions posted. The widescreen Region 1 DVD (which I bought used in late 2001/early 2002) includes the Greedo scene in the deleted scenes section, but it was never in the theatrical version shown to the public. Either scene probably could have been done without blue-screening so I don't doubt that they were ever filmed, just not released to the home market and certainly not shown to the public, except in terms of screenplay/novel entries and publicity stills.

And, I hate to admit this, but I also saw a bootleg VCD of TPM back before the official DVD came out (it didn't come to DVD until 2001), from the theatrical showing (I think it was opening night as there's cheering and stuff during the opening crawl) that a friend showed me back in the day, and none of those "deleted scenes" were featured anywhere in it, and the camera only cut once when the guy changed batteries/tapes halfway through the movie (it wouldn't have missed either scene).

Were you at some early test screening for LucasFilm? Unless you were, I'd chalk this up to over-active imagination, just like the people who think they saw Biggs and Luke talking at Tosche Station in the theater in 1977. Sorry! wink.gif


PS: The first Batman movie was great for atmosphere (copied in many aspects in "Dick Tracy"). But the treatment of Batman I really like was Batman: the Animated Series (and the movie version, Mask of the Phantasm. the Batman & Robin and Batman/Superman spinoffs were not quite as good, but fairly close, if a little more light-hearted in tone).

Honestly I don't see what's so great about Batman Begins. Sure, it was more "serious" than the Batman sequels especially part 3 and on, but still. Take away the fact that he's Batman and it's just another generic action/revenge movie. Ninjas? A scarecrow? Ugh, it's like a low budget movie-of-the-week that shows the car exploding from three different angles and the tough cop being thrown off the case. Don't get me wrong, it had a few cool moments (which escape me at the moment), but most of it was just "oh you know here's this bit and here's this bit, etc where it all came to be"). As far as establishing a hero it felt too much like a combination of the Matrix ("Free your mind, Neo, I mean Bruce") and Spider-Man (ah, now I just need to tweak my suit a bit to make it perfect, and work on this identity thing and my private life.. except now I'm a rich dork instead of a pimply faced poor dork).

Granted, BB was highly anticipated and it had a lot of starpower behind it. I didn't see it on the big screen (rented the widescreen DVD only recently to watch in fact) so perhaps that made it suffer somewhat. But little of the movie was spent on Batman, and more just on Bruce Wayne. There's very little of the kind of stuff that you see Batman doing like detective work and cool martial arts action and more focus on brooding and intrigue. I don't know if these are valid criticisms, it's just that I was expecting something a lot more action packed and gothic than what I got, considering all the hoopla. Not a bad film, but not nearly as memorable as the first (which, while good is not so amazing that it's a must-own for me. I admit I own a few Batman comic books, but for me the epitome of Batman will always be the animated series, the best on-screen adaption I've seen). Perhaps a comic-book movie needs to be somewhat more over the top and corny in order to stick with me?

This post has been edited by KurganX: 12 January 2006 - 12:11 AM

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Giff @ Jan 12 2006, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All I ever saw was it once in theaters and many times on VHS when it was first released.

I never read any books or visual dictionaries or anything.

I was never exposed to any of these other things.


So when was the first time you "noticed" these scenes were not in the film? In 2001 when you watched the VHS/DVD? You never saw a single supplementary material from 1999 to now?

Barring you seeing an early version of the film that somehow had these scenes in it, I'm forced to assume your imagination filled in the details of these scenes that were present in all the non-movie sources (screenplays, insider's guide, websites, novelisations, storybooks, etc).

The scene isn't even on the DVD and I don't know of anyplace you can download it, so essentially Lucas is the only one who has it! (the "fried lightsaber").

Still, I would find it hard to believe that you never saw the production stills or read about it early on. Even I, who avoided spoilers, saw the photo of Qui Gon handing the lightsaber back to Obi-Wan (the photo looks doctored, as the saber hilt looks like a tiny toy in his hand, rather than a larger prop). I didn't know the context of the scene until some guys were arguing on the internet about lightsabers working underwater and cited the screenplay and a comic book treatment of the scene as "proof" (Splinter of the Mind's Eye and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II/Mysteries of the Sith had previously established in the mythos that Lightsabers could work underwater and when wet, so this was a "big change" though it wasn't followed up on, as AOTC and Clone Wars season 1 re-established their working in water). I argued at the time, that since it didn't happen in the movie (and no deleted scene was going to be included on the DVD as we later found out) then it wasn't "canon" as far as I was concerned. I don't know how it's been officially resolved, as all the other examples of stuff show that Lightsabers DO work underwater, but all the supplementary materials for Episode I cite it as happening and it could have happened off camera for all we know (and only apply to lightsabers that are turned on when wet).

We'd be forced to assume that Obi-Wan either had a really cheap-o lightsaber or that waterproof lightsabers were invented in the decade between TPM and AOTC. But anyway, sorry if I doubt your story. I don't doubt that you believe it, but my own experience shows no evidence of such a scene being shown in theaters.

This post has been edited by KurganX: 12 January 2006 - 12:38 AM

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:50 AM

And THAT is why I am so confused/upset!
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