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Posted 11 June 2005 - 10:45 AM

OK I'm new here, so forgive me if this one has been discussed before.

When Luke thinks the sand people destroyed the jawas transport, Ben tells him,
no, the blasts are too precise for sand people and that only Imperial Stormtroopers could have done this. Well, my question is this:

If stormtroopers are so precise in their marksmanship, then why is it that for the remainder of ep 4-5-6 only once does a stormtroopers blast actually harm some one they were shooting at. I am thinking of ROJ, Leia. I guess you could argue that 3po was shot in ESB, but that was at point blank so it doesn't count.

Anyone agree with this assessment?
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 04:15 PM

The Official UK Star Wars Magazine has said that what Obi-Wan meant was that the Stormtroopers had aimed for the treads of the sandcrawler (causing it to stop moving and making it a "sitting duck"), wheras the Sand People would have just hit it anywhere.

The Stormtrooper's skills at being the worst shots in the galaxy are almost legendary among fans. It's been done to death, but there's no way you can hide that they simply never hit any main character, even at point-blank range. It looks as though they were trained by Greedo. It also brings up the question as to why the clone troopers are actually pretty good shots, when after 18 years or so, they're crap...
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 04:45 PM

Gusher explanation: An unforseen side-effect to the cloning process is that their eyes deteriorate over time, thus eventually making them bad shots some 18 years later. biggrin.gif
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 05:14 PM

It's only just occured to me how dumb Lucas was by making the stormtroopers clones. I don't think ANYONE even considered that the clones in the Clone Wars were going to be stormtroopers. It was kind of surprising (one of only a few in the prequels), but it's a dumb idea. I can't believe that the clones were so loyal to Palpatine that they would turn on the entire galaxy without even considering the outcomes.

One thing I am glad about is that Lucas didn't dub the voice of Jango Fett over all the stormtroopers in the trilogy DVDs... if he had then it would have been too much.
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Bohrok Awakener @ Jun 11 2005, 06:14 PM)
One thing I am glad about is that Lucas didn't dub the voice of Jango Fett over all the stormtroopers in the trilogy DVDs... if he had then it would have been too much.


But he dubbed Boba's dialogue with Jango's voice. And I really hate that. :angry:
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 07:44 PM

I was under the impression that the Clone Troopers were the forerunners of the storm troopers. By the time ANH begins, the storm troopers are comprised mostly of recruits with some rapidly aging clones among their ranks.

AOTC states that the clones are made to age quickly and that they are genetically engineered to be 100% loyal. I don't see anything wrong with making them fanatically obedient to the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic; it would also seem logical to conclude that their accelerated aging makes them poor candidates for long-term defense of the Empire, meaning that they would have to be replaced by recruits at some point. Hence, the fact that their voices aren't all the same.

This would also explain the fact that storm troopers aren't good shots...but does that really have to be explained? This is Star Wars!

(Yeah, yeah, I know...Why doesn't the Empire make more clones, then?! Maybe cloning technology is mostly lost after the wars. This is all probably explained in some EU product)
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Posted 12 June 2005 - 07:23 AM

Lucas says the reason all the stormtroopers sound different in the OT is because, by that time, the Kaminoans (who were still producing clones) had begun to use different sources (after all, Jango was dead, they couldn't go on using him).
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Posted 12 June 2005 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE (oldpink @ Jun 11 2005, 11:45 AM)
OK I'm new here, so forgive me if this one has been discussed before.

When Luke thinks the sand people destroyed the jawas transport, Ben tells him,
no, the blasts are too precise for sand people and that only Imperial Stormtroopers could have done this.  Well, my question is this: 

If stormtroopers are so precise in their marksmanship, then why is it that for the remainder of ep 4-5-6 only once does a stormtroopers blast actually harm some one they were shooting at.  I am thinking of ROJ, Leia.  I guess you could argue that 3po was shot in ESB, but that was at point blank so it doesn't count.

Anyone agree with this assessment?


You know, I always thought the same thing.
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Posted 12 June 2005 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (oldpink @ Jun 11 2005, 08:45 AM)
OK I'm new here, so forgive me if this one has been discussed before.

When Luke thinks the sand people destroyed the jawas transport, Ben tells him,
no, the blasts are too precise for sand people and that only Imperial Stormtroopers could have done this.  Well, my question is this: 

If stormtroopers are so precise in their marksmanship, then why is it that for the remainder of ep 4-5-6 only once does a stormtroopers blast actually harm some one they were shooting at.  I am thinking of ROJ, Leia.  I guess you could argue that 3po was shot in ESB, but that was at point blank so it doesn't count.

Anyone agree with this assessment?


It's just that stormtroopers are more precise than Sandpeople, not that they are any good in general. tongue.gif
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 07:19 AM

The D20 version of the Star Wars Roleplaying Game has an excellent reason for why stormtroopers never hit the heroes in Star Wars. All the heroes are really high level and thus have tons of vitality points! Vitality points are these lovely little things that replace hit points with a sort of cinematic luck pool that gets depleted as you are shot at or attacked succesfully. The stormtroopers are quite competant; it just so happens that they don't stand a chance against the vast amount of luck and coincidence that has pooled around the main characters. So every stormtrooper that shoots at Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbaca, or one of those pesky droids has one of the worst shots of his life. If only he were shooting at some shmuck with nothing going for him, and little screen time! Like those rebel troopers from A New Hope. They just get massacred!

I prefer to think of the stormtroopers as not being clones, personally. It seems kind of weird that they would all be clones, but the rest of the imperial forces wouldn't. For example, what about Imperial Tie Fighter pilots? I know they can't be clones, because I played Tie Fighter, the computer game, and furthermore, I read the little backstory book that came with it. And what about all that fiction that may or may not be canon that talks about the awesome and strict stormtrooper academies?!
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 01:13 PM

And the answer is.........

BUM BUM BUM

They don't hit the main characters because they're the main characters. No one wants to go halfway through Star Wars only to see Luke get shot and die as he's escaping the death star.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Veer @ Jun 12 2005, 08:35 PM)
It's just that stormtroopers are more precise than Sandpeople, not that they are any good in general.  tongue.gif


My guess is that Sandpeople tend to hit their own feet a lot! biggrin.gif
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 04:14 PM

Well, actually the stormtroopers are better than droids or tusken raiders(Sand People) dry.gif
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Posted 17 June 2005 - 11:50 PM

The stormtroopers were very effective in the opening sequence but when goons go up against heroes they always suck... except if they one-on-one a hero, in which case they give the hero a great deal of trouble, but if twenty stormtroopers try and bring down one Han Solo standing outside his ship they make a good lightshow but do no damage.

Stormtroopers should actually be damned impressive - the helmet apparatus should give them heightened senses and allow them to function even in smoke or gas, the utility equipment they seem to be crammed with (Luke's grappling hook, for starters) should allow them a number of handy moves, their armour shouldn't be 'shot in calf=death' and those hefty packs the field troopers have in SW should conceal any number of effective weapons.
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Posted 18 June 2005 - 01:36 PM

I always wondered why the stormtroopers used armor if even a freakin' ROCK can kill them.

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