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The Big Secret If Anakin and Padme were found out...

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 02:47 PM

...what would really be the consequences? Would there really be hell to pay for either of them? We get Obi-Wan's speech about being expelled from the order if Anakin had stopped to get Padme and let Dooku get away. They don't seem to be too concerned because Padme insists on being in the public eye, and I guess nobody at the Temple asks where Anakin goes at night. How bad could the consequences be, then? wink.gif

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 06:44 PM

In fact.... why is it at all forbidden for jedi to looooove....???

Quite frankly the abstinence of the jedi counsel didn't give the clairvoyance to figure out dokuu, palpatine, and ankian were evil...
it didn't improve their intuitiveness to the capacity to for see order 66...
etc. etc. etc.

having been in relationships, in love, and doing all the nasty thangs affiliated with it, i have still retained the ability to catch people lying, perform in combat unhindered, and notice really obvious conspiracies, etc.

So what's the point?

If anything i think the collective sexual frustration and emotional loneliness were the primary contributors to the down fall of the republic...

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 07:12 PM

If the Jedi found out they would want a piece of the action.

Considering that most people came away from Star Wars with the impression that Ben was a bit of a ladies man, I think making the Jedi platonic didn't go down well.
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Posted 09 June 2005 - 07:54 PM

True, making the Jedi monks was not a good idea.

Back to the question, in the PT world if Anankin and Padme were found out, Anakin would probably have been expelled from the jedi order. Would have been good for everybody me thinks.

Ofcourse why dosn't Yoda and/or Obi-wan find out that Anakin and Padme are in love? I mean, he drops enough hints at obi-wan, and almost directly confronts Yoda with it in Ep III. They should have figured it out...

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 12:17 AM

i think everyone did know....

they probably just thought that the secret bit was padme's idea, becuase she was embarresed by him.
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 12:41 AM

QUOTE (barend @ Jun 9 2005, 06:44 PM)
In fact.... why is it at all forbidden for jedi to looooove....???
Love is energetically unfavourable, inefficient, and hazardous to your health. With all the other occupational risks, I could see leaving that one out.
QUOTE (barend @ Jun 9 2005, 06:44 PM)
Quite frankly the abstinence of the jedi counsel didn't give the clairvoyance to figure out dokuu, palpatine, and ankian were evil...
it didn't improve their intuitiveness to the capacity to for see order 66...
etc. etc. etc.
Yes, blind they were. On the other hand being in love is equally blinding. Even Palpatine said as much. Conclude no real advantage either way.
QUOTE (barend @ Jun 9 2005, 06:44 PM)
If anything i think the collective sexual frustration and emotional loneliness were the primary contributors to the down fall of the republic...
They never said anything about sex being forbidden. It's perfectly possible to have sex without personal attachment or love ever entering the picture. For all we know, their temple's a swinging place.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 07:55 AM

I suspect the reason Jedi aren't allowed to have relationships is that they might use the ol' Jedi mind trick to 'persuade' members of the opposite sex that they want to shag them. I've been trying it for years
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE (Trigormike @ Jun 10 2005, 07:55 AM)
I suspect the reason Jedi aren't allowed to have relationships is that they might use the ol' Jedi mind trick to 'persuade' members of the opposite sex that they want to shag them. I've been trying it for years


What? No commentary on efficacy?
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 08:55 PM

They mentioned that Padme would get thrown out of the Senate if they found out she was pregnant. That seems pretty damn offensive really; an advanced Galactic Senate and they don't have freakin' maternity leave?
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Wolfychan @ Jun 10 2005, 08:55 PM)
an advanced Galactic Senate and they don't have freakin' maternity leave?


I don't think it was the fact that she was pregnant as much as it was a pregnancy that would appear out of wedlock. Unless, of course, she was to admit she had secretly married a Jedi and then you'd have a brilliant scandal. Or Palpatine could have leaked the news if Anakin decided not to join him. You know how much governing bodies like to claim their loyalties to traditional family values.
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 01:55 AM

Um, will nobody supply the obvious answer? Lucas invented the "Jedi are forbidden to love" plot twist because he needed some sort of dramatic tension and grabbed for the cheapest and easiest trick he could find. Jedi Just Wanna Have Fun but the old fuddy-duddies won't let them - how original. Next Anakin will whine because Obi-Wan didn't get him a Ferrari for his birthday.
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 11:03 AM

Yeah, I'm with ernesttomlinson on this one.

Lucas needed tension so he basically ripped of "The Thornbirds" and threw in the "holy man forbidden to love" angle. Except like everything else in the new movies, that plotline was handled with Lucas' typical bull in a chinashop approach, so if there ever was any depth to the story- it got immediately crushed by the bad writing and pacing, etc.

Lucas made a big mistake by turning the Jedi into monks. They went from being heroic and mysterious to being sanctimonious, lecturing dullards. I think in a way they Jedi now represent Lucas himself- boring know-it-alls who sit in judgement of anyone who doesn't do things the way they think is right. Lucas probably sees himself as bastion of purity in this hellbound society of ours, but the truth is that HE'S the one who doesn't fit in and if his real life is anything like his cinematic vision, then he must be the lonliest man on earth.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 01:09 AM

QUOTE (ernesttomlinson @ Jun 11 2005, 01:55 AM)
Um, will nobody supply the obvious answer?  Lucas invented the "Jedi are forbidden to love" plot twist because he needed some sort of dramatic tension and grabbed for the cheapest and easiest trick he could find. 


I still remember the marketing campaign for AOTC - "forbidden love". He obviously wanted people to think in Romeo and Juliet terms, and he concocted the idea that it is forbidden for Jedi to love. It also supplied some dreariedst dinner dialogue between the leading characters I have ever heard.

For ROTS he used similar stupid ploy that "I have to turn to the dark side to save Padme, because I can't live without her", threw in a couple of dream sequencers and the gushers now go ooooooh, he has a premonition, and look what happened to his mother - the premonitions were true then, so they must be now...

Now what I cannot figure is why nobody knew! They openly live together, in a suite which has completely transparent windows (we can see Padme combing her her from the OUTSIDE), she is a higly placed polititian and nobody notices anything, not even when they kiss and embrace in public? Didn't they have press there? Seems like not only does the old republic lacked in medical technology (no ultrasonic testing), but it did not have any media, either.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 10:02 AM

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Love is energetically unfavourable, inefficient, and hazardous to your health. With all the other occupational risks, I could see leaving that one out.


One could say the same about most emotions. I can name similar arguements for sadness, boredom, envy, disgust and others. But I guess that Hate, Anger, and now love, apparently take prioirty in avoidance. wacko.gif
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (ernesttomlinson @ Jun 11 2005, 06:55 AM)
Um, will nobody supply the obvious answer?  Lucas invented the "Jedi are forbidden to love" plot twist because he needed some sort of dramatic tension and grabbed for the cheapest and easiest trick he could find.  Jedi Just Wanna Have Fun but the old fuddy-duddies won't let them - how original.  Next Anakin will whine because Obi-Wan didn't get him a Ferrari for his birthday.


On the button. He also wanted to show that Anakin would put his personal feelings and ego above the Jedi order.

I still can't figure out however why Obi Wan, who lectured Anakin about his nasty thoughts for Padme and who also reminded Anakin that his duty was to the Jedi Order and not rescuing Padme when she fell of that ship in Attack of the Clones, why he allowed Anakin to escort Padme on his ownsome, at the end of the film. For god's sake he SAW,
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