[julie123]

I always assumed that Sifo-Dyas was Sidious but Labyrinth of Evil shows that he was another fallen Jedi idiot that was getting played by Sidious.  He orders the clone army, Dooku erases the record of the planet and then kills Sifo-Dyas so no one will find out.

Of course this is all EU.  It was pretty sloppy that it wasn't mentioned in ROTS.

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This is yet another example of a character who does not appear in a Star War film but who is then more fully developed in the EU. However, the Labyrinth of Evil is not considered by Lucas to be canon. And why not? Because the EU not only contradicts itself but it also undermines the films. For example, the novelisation of ROTJ says that Owen Lars and Obi-Wan were half brothers, which is why Obi left Luke with Lars but as we all know in ATOC Anakin is Owen Lars step brother and in a Timothy Zahn novel Leia recalls her mother dying in the arms of a masked Vader.

If Lucas doesn't legitimise the EU he shouldn't expect it to support his films when they fail to come through and readers should save their money and buy cream cakes instead.

[Commodore]

This is yet another example of a character who does not appear in a Star War film but who is then more fully developed in the EU.  However, the Labyrinth of Evil is not considered by Lucas to be canon.  And why not?  Because the EU not only contradicts itself but it also undermines the films.  For example, the novelisation of ROTJ says that Owen Lars and Obi-Wan were half brothers, which is why Obi left Luke with Lars but as we all know in ATOC Anakin is Owen Lars step brother and in a Timothy Zahn novel Leia recalls her mother dying in the arms of a masked Vader.

If Lucas doesn't legitimise the EU he shouldn't expect it to support his films when they fail to come through and readers should save their money and buy cream cakes instead.

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Has the Lucasfilm canon policy changed? I always thought that the EU was 'quasi-canon'; it supercedes everything but the movies and official movie novelizations.
I haven't read Labyrinth of Evil; does it somehow contradict the films? If it does than the films obviously come first, as in the case of Obi and Owen being half-brothers.

As to the topic of discussion, I always assumed that Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas to order the Clone army, and that Sifo died earlier in some unrelated incident. Regardless, I never really lost any sleep over Sifo-Dyas. Just another stupid little plot point that went unexplained in the movies.

[darth gimp]

Did they not have accounting, bank accounts, or any record keeping a long time ago, in this place far, far away?

How was it that the Jedi/Republic were paying for this massive clone army, and no one, in 20 years from when it was originally ordered/payed for, thought to inquire what the payments were for?

Are the Jedi accountants Jedi (and hence completely retarded) or was their accounting done by the SW version of Arthur Anderson?

[Despondent]

Only a Jedi could have deleted Accounting files.

[JW Wells]

I get the biggest kick out of Obi-Wan being able to waltz by Kamino and take shipment of all of the clones just by wearing Jedi robes and pretending to be Sypho Dias.

This is akin to me wandering by Newport News shipbuilding and saying that I'm there to pick up the new aircraft carrier (CVN-77), then answering "Uh, yeah, that's me!" when they call me "Secretary England". And, as I sail away, one exec saying to another "Well, he *was* wearing a tie."

[yourUsername]

I get the biggest kick out of Obi-Wan being able to waltz by Kamino and take shipment of all of the clones just by wearing Jedi robes and pretending to be Sypho Dias.

This is akin to me wandering by Newport News shipbuilding and saying that I'm there to pick up the new aircraft carrier (CVN-77), then answering "Uh, yeah, that's me!" when they call me "Secretary England".  And, as I sail away, one exec saying to another "Well, he *was* wearing a tie."

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lmao

I guess there ain't a whole lot o' Jedis heading out to that planet. Maybe Sidious told Dooku or whoever was impersonating Sifo Dyas to tell the cloners to expect someone by the description of Obi-wan, or at least the date a Jedi would be expected. In any case, Sidious knew an innocent Jedi would arrive and make use of the Clone Army. Sidious definately seemed to have every contigency thought out and manipulated everything perfectly, so I can believe that. What I initially thought was that Sifo Dyas was Sidious, but from what I've seen on the internet, I doubt that's the case. I still wonder why the names are basically the same, as I find it unnecessarily confusing. You just know the common person is going to assume this line of logic with the phonetic similarities. Lucas seems to know a lot more of the story than he's relating. Maybe he's got some plans to release this information. For a price, of course.

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[darth gimp]

Lucas seems to know a lot more of the story than he's relating.  Maybe he's got some plans to release this information.  For a price, of course.

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Yeah, or maybe he just pulls the shit out of his ass without thinking ever.

[julie123]

Has the Lucasfilm canon policy changed?  I always thought that the EU was 'quasi-canon'; it supercedes everything but the movies and official movie novelizations.
I haven't read Labyrinth of Evil; does it somehow contradict the films?  If it does than the films obviously come first, as in the case of Obi and Owen being half-brothers.

As to the topic of discussion, I always assumed that Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas to order the Clone army, and that Sifo died earlier in some unrelated incident.  Regardless, I never really lost any sleep over Sifo-Dyas.  Just another stupid little plot point that went unexplained in the movies.

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Lucas does not consider the EU to be quasi canon. When all the shit hit the fan not so long ago regarding time lines etc in the EU novels he stated that they are not there to back his films up. That is, the EU is there solely for the fans entertainment and not to be considered canon because they are not part of his Star Wars vision.

My point is that people should not look to the EU for explanations of what is going on in the films if Lucas himself does not consider the EU to do this.

[Despondent]

Kamino number one: Are you sure he's Syfo Dyas?

Kamino number three: He will help them. He was MEANT to help them.

[James12345]

STAR WARS
-I. Prevenge of the Sith

Spree! After a successfull winning streak
in a casino on the hive world of Nar Shadaar,
Syfo Dias and his good friend Darth Plagus
(the wise) have left their dark aprentices
Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus to get
aquainted on the remote planet Byss.

Still high on the exitment of their winnings
the two dark lords make their way to Kamino
to purchase a few million troops to be cloned
off one of the young bouncers at the casino
they met name Jango Fettowitz, a former
boxer and aspiring bounty hunter.

The two are being persued by a Rebublic
squad of crack-commandos: Swen Solo,
Ian Antillies, C3-88, private Grevious, and
Ichy the wookie, led by a slighlty younger
Yoda with a squadren of eight-winged fighters
in the hopes of thwarting their possibly evil
plans...

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Personally I will stick with this explaination...my brain hurts

[Shrike]

Heres the deal with Syfo Dias

Take at the "fo" in Syfo and you have

Sy'dias

its definatly sidious

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What is this Syfo Dias is Sidious stuff? It makes no sense at all. Episode II stated that Syfo Dias had been head of the Jedi council. Are we suddenly to believe that Syfo Dias ordered up the clone army, faked his own death, showed up within months as the senator from Naboo, and orchestrated his election as chancellor? Of course, all of this happened without anyone on the Jedi council asking "Hey, isn't that my old boss?".

[Despondent]

Why, it's god Lucas rewarding all of his patient fans, of course.

although he remembered somebody once telling him: keep them wanting more.

[greedo]

exactly...

lucas' writing ability must seriously be called into question if one must rely on a 3season cartoon and various novels to understand the circumstance of his films...

that's fucking poor...

hope lucas starts working on another movie on dias, this plaguei, qui gon and dooku before i go mad and fall into despair trying to unearth this mystery... much of true story would be lost in vain assumptions and hypothesis

[georgelucas4greedo]

IMHO, Lucas made the PT way too complex to the point that its not logical. I couldnt tell you any of the details fleshed out in Episode II and III and I don't consider myself a moron. Then again, the movie was totally uninteresting to me and that is probably why I did not follow it. Anyway, the OT was so simple, yet at times so profound.

[miladyblue]

I couldnt tell you any of the details fleshed out in Episode II and III and I don't consider myself a moron.

Of COURSE you're not a moron. I would be willing to bet even GL couldn't follow whatever it was that passed for plot in ANY of the PT. Hence, the back pedaling and B.S. we get every time he makes some announcement or other to fans. I think the greatest mystery here might just be:

WHAT THE FUCK WAS GL SMOKING WHEN HE CAME UP WITH THIS PREQUEL CRAP?

I just bought the original theatrical release of ANH and it is just such a relief!

Not once in ANH:

1. Did I check my watch, wondering when so and so was going to get off the screen because I wanted to launch a brick at my TV to shut them up.
2. Ultra Cutesy action figure fodder (Ewoks)
3. Offensive racial stereotype run amok (JarJar, Trade Federation aliens)
4. Did the solitary woman in the story change her clothes every other second.
5. The solitary female character is not swooning over a whiny psychopath.
6. Sickening dialogue or vomit-inducing romantic scenes.
7. Overblown special effects that took me out of the movie, instead of taking me deeper into the world onscreen.
8. Overly technical explanations for things that did not need it - Obi Wan's description of the Force trumps those fucking Midi-Chlorians ANY time. By the way, was GL doing his laundry with chlorine bleach while listening to a MIDI of the Star Wars theme? I think his being overcome by bleach fumes would explain a LOT.

In addition ANH had:

1. A straightforward story of Good VS. Evil that had me cheering!
2. Eye candy for female fans that did not make me want to take out a shotgun.
3. A character whose motivations were not clear. A touch of mystery that did not need to be over explained into tedium.
4. A strong female leader who did not come off as a short man with tits.
5. A palpable sense of menace from the villains - Governor Tarkin and Darth Vader did not have to resort to stupid movie cliches (maniacal laughter, weird tics, etc.) to give them an air of danger.
6. A sense of desperation from the heroes - the Death Star battle was actually a challenge.
7. Against all odds, the good guys triumph, thanks to determination, courage and sacrifice.
8. Humor that fit the situation and/or character, without feeling like someone was forcing the situation to fit the humor.
9. A subtle flirtation between two characters that never once felt forced. Or induced nausea.
10. The definitive description of The Force. This gave an air of mysticism and wonder that carried powerfully throughout the movie. Even Han Solo's rather jarring "simple tricks and nonsense" bit gave contrast between the mystical Jedi and the "real world" of the rest of the galaxy.
11. Characters with genuine quirks that endeared rather than grated:
A. Leia inspired, rather than irritated, even at her most bossy.
B. Luke was meant to be the hero, but he was wet behind the ears without being sickening.
C. Han's motivations changed, marking genuine growth and character development.
D. Chewie was along for the ride, but he did provide a moral compass for Han.
E. Governor Tarkin casually ordered the destruction of an entire planet. A real threat.
F. Darth Vader was palpably menacing, and did not need to act like a psycho to pull it off.
G. R2D2 was true to his programming, going above and beyond the call of duty for a droid.
H. Obi Wan was the wise, mysterious mentor. Though old, he could STILL kick ass!