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#361 User is offline   Jordan Icon

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 11:22 AM

Episode III was a stupid action flick which lacked emotions and story. I hated it more than the previous two PT's.

Episode IV is better than Episode III simply because of the duel.

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 01:21 PM

Reinaldovader: Can't argue what we can't understand. Not trying to be mean, but you need a better translator.

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 01:27 PM

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Leia an Han don't freeze nor float inside the asteroid = NO PROBLEM


I don't have a problem with the not freezing thing cuz... weren't they inside a giant space slug thingie?
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 03:07 PM

1- Yes, they were inside a giant worm . was tehre central heating or anti -gravitacional system inside the worm?

2- why doesn't the worm itself doesn't freeze ?


3 I KNEW SOME PETULANT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT MY ENGLISH , FOR LACK OF ARGUMENTS AGAINST MY POINTS - MAYBE WE COULD TALK IN SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, ITALIAN ... WHICH LANGUAGE DO YOU PREFER ? BUT , PROBABLY YOU DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER LANGUAGE ...

4 - I'M NOT MASTER IN ENGLISH BUT I KNOW I CAN BE UNDERSRTOOD VERY WELL AS LONG AS I UNDERSTAND AMERICANS SPEAKING "PORTU-SPANISH-AMERICAN"

5- Could anybody answer at least these:
Why there wasn't anybody waiting outside the thash compactor to arrest Leia, Luke,etc...? Everybody in Death Star knew they were there and wanted to catch them , and it would be much easier to simply open the door and get them....

6- About EP III , it's the best in my opinion , nobody will change it
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 03:24 PM

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6- About EP III , it's the best in my opinion , nobody will change it


Well, the same could be said for those of us who think otherwise, nevertheless you DID come and started firing guns without any kind of provoking. Maybe you remember this:

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if you have time and bad will to do it .


or this

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Thank goodness it's Lucas, not Chefelf who wrote the NT script .


And I'm not trying to defend a person here, but I am defending the critics. I agree with many of them, and maybe I would have put even more.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 04:02 PM

I'm going to say this once more. If you had bothered to read any of the other threads we have made, there are many retorts against the PT gusher who comes on and decides not to argue on the merits of the PT but instead rather how the OT equally sucked as well. The answers are simple:

a ) Star Wars when it first came out was highly original, had tremendous soul, and was well-thought out. People hadn't seen anything like it before. Whereas the PT was rushed, unimaginative, hollow, and very unoriginal - thus the flaws do not get the same sort of pass. The PT regurgitates CGI and plotlines that have already been done. "A Titanic in space, indeed." How about a Star Wars in space? And don't come back with all the mythical and serial subject matter that Lucas borrowed in order to make the Star Wars movies - it doesn't compare. No one effectively meshed so many influences all together into such a tight and imaginative package as Lucas did with the original trilogy. There was a reason the original Star Wars was nominated for 10 Oscars in 1978, including Best Picture and Best Writing. It won 6 of those 10. AOTC was nominated for 1. I only use the Oscars as an example to show that even in the effects department, the films were not wildly considered all that great, groundbreaking, or original. The OT was - thus some of its flaws can be forgiven.

b ) The PT felt like a cash-grab which accounts for our disgust toward LucasFilms. It does not feel like they wanted to entertain or provide a story with depth and focus - instead the films merely seemed like a way to showcase a masturbatory array of special effects designed to cover up a serious lack of story and soul. Tthat and the fact that every minor character introduced seemed to be created to sell more toys...

c ) ...Oh and now that we're on the characters. The acting and characters in the PT are far inferior to the OT. Many OT enthusiasts cannot relate with these characters simply because they are badly written, poorly acted, and had no arc whatsoever. This is not the actors the fault, it is a fault of poor direction, unworkable lines, and roles that offered no room for subtext or interpretation. We related with Han Solo. We related with Luke Skywalker. We related with Wedge Antilles. We related with Lando Calrissian. Hell, a lot of us even related with Bobba Fett. And in so doing, we bonded with these characters. Who here can relate with a Queen Amadilla or Jango Fett? Or an Anakin Skywalker or Jar Jar Binks? An Elan Sleezbaggano or Mace Windu? Not as many. We have no attachment to these stale characters, thus the PT has again failed us on this level as well. Whereas we reveled in the most minor of well-thought-out characters/aliens such as Jawas or Bosskk, or Tusken Raiders and Biggs Darklighter, how the hell can we do the same with Jar Jar Binks or the two-headed announcer on Tatooine? We cannot.

d ) Humor. The humor in the PT is of the low-brow such that you would find in a Farrelly brothers movie or some other assorted flick. Farting and poodoo jokes are lame, Threepios puns are lame, tongues stuck in engines are lame, there is not one moment in the PT that would make an adult with even moderate intelligence laugh. The OT was sprinkled with humor that an adult can relate to, a lot of it coming from Harrison Ford - though even Threepio was a hell of a lot funnier in the OT than he was as the pun-ripping huckster in the PT (but I suppose this is to showcase his evolution in humor between the PT and OT - or maybe he recieved an upgraded humor chip for improved human-cyborg relations? Or better yet, when his memory was wiped, all the puns and shit humor he inherited from past adventures were removed forever?) That said, the OT had a lot of moments that adults can genuinely relate to and even smile at. The PT? An adult can only watch for the effects, because there isn't anything intellectually stimulating in them - and as mentioned earlier, the effects we can get from any other action movie now. Nothing new there.

There are so many more things I could list, but I won't.

So no, people probably won't go tit-for-tat with you on you OT points of contention, simply because most of the points have been brought up before and contended to death with over and over! In short, the OT were excellent and original movies (not so much ROTJ) and get a few passes due to this fact, whereas the PT were amazingly huge let-downs for many people.

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 04:51 PM

As for your "criticisms" of the OT.

Han = Cowboy. At least he wasn't wearing a cowboy hat and spurs, and THEN I would've said Star Wars sucked, but he didn't. He clothes were subtlely designed.

Chewbacca's 'Tarzan Yell' It sucked in ROTJ and it sucks in ROTS, too.


You know Reinaldovader, even if I could speak your language, you'd still come across as an arrogant Euro-trash asshole.
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 09:05 PM

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Why there wasn't anybody waiting outside the thash compactor to arrest Leia, Luke,etc...? Everybody in Death Star knew they were there and wanted to catch them , and it would be much easier to simply open the door and get them....


Because as you said it is a trash compactor. Everybody assumed that once it was turned on either manually because they knew Luke and Co. were down there or automatically they would simply be crushed to death. Doesn't make much sense to have stormtroopers at the door ready to blast liquefied human remains now does it?
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Posted 10 August 2005 - 11:12 PM

Why not stand guard when they jump in? Personally, I've always wondered same.

I like The Other point of view.
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 05:30 AM

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Gomer-Piled Posted Yesterday, 09:51 PM
 
As for your "criticisms" of the OT.

Han = Cowboy. At least he wasn't wearing a cowboy hat and spurs, and THEN I would've said Star Wars sucked, but he didn't. He clothes were subtlely designed.

Chewbacca's 'Tarzan Yell' It sucked in ROTJ and it sucks in ROTS, too.


You know Reinaldovader, even if I could speak your language, you'd still come across as an arrogant Euro-trash asshole.


Why every time a dumb american feels threaten by an european does he call him arrogant euro-trash? Does it means that we europeans can only argue with smart americans? Dumb american, please let us enlight you, listen and throw away this whooper... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I have no problems with any country and/or continent... only with paranoiacs

Well Reinaldovader... I just can't understand you think that rots it's the best SW movie... and of course if there's rubbish scenes in the oldies, well it s more than balanced with the good, very good elements... The PT had so much potential that it makes me sad to see it wasted...
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 01:59 PM

Guys, guys, calm down and stop the flaming, please, this is a friendly forum... right, Chef?

OK. so I didn't have my marathon yet as the movie isn't going to be out on video for at least another month. So in the meantime, I'll sit around here and amuse myself by talking to you guys! tongue.gif
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (The Other @ Aug 10 2005, 09:05 PM)
Because as you said it is a trash compactor.  Everybody assumed that once it was turned on either manually because they knew Luke and Co. were down there or automatically they would simply be crushed to death.  Doesn't make much sense to have stormtroopers at the door ready to blast liquefied human remains now does it?



1 -Why did they leave LEIA to die in the trash compactor? Didn't they wanted her alive ? Why didn't they just turn off the compactor , opened the side door and captured them BEFORE they die ?

2 - If Leia knew the Empire had let the Falcon Milenium scape easily because they were being track why did they go the the rebel base ? They should have gone somewhere else - THE EMPIRE WAS TRACKING THEM AND WOULD OBVIOUSLY FIND THE REBEL BASE IF THEY WENT THERE- I never understood this.

Anyway , I could go on and on . My point is: You just can't go making a list of 90
flaws on EP III to prove it is worst than OT , because the whole SW is full of flaws . There are flaws because SW is for children and teens - It's not to be taken more seriouly than "Looney Tunes" . IT'S JUST FOR FUN , not for deep analisys of 90 points as if SW were some philosophical essay to be studied.

EP I really has one flaw: It's not much fun . EP III is a lot of fun and , c'mom , you can't deny: the story is much more complex than EP IV .

Ep IV is very good , but extremely simple:

Bad guy kidnap the princess _ the good guy , the wizard , the tinman , the lion
( WIzard of Oz?) and the american cowboy rescue her _ and destroy the bad guy's fortress - THE END -
The rest is Special Effects - ( all SW oscars were technical cathegories )
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 08:19 PM

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The rest is Special Effects - ( all SW oscars were technical cathegories )


That's strange, among the 10 nominations in 1978, I seem to remember it being nominated for Best Writing, Best Picture, and Best Director.

ROTS will be lucky if it gets one nomination.

And your comparison of the movies to Looney Tunes just shows why ROTS has generally only appealed to the lowest common denominator...
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 10:45 PM

QUOTE (diligent_d @ Aug 11 2005, 08:19 PM)
That's strange, among the 10 nominations in 1978, I seem to remember it being nominated for Best Writing, Best Picture, and Best Director. 

ROTS will be lucky if it gets one nomination.

And your comparison of the movies to Looney Tunes just shows why ROTS has generally only appealed to the lowest common denominator...



1- Exactly, and SW lost exactly in these three cathegories of Oscar .

2- ROTS probably won't get nominations because it's not revolutionary like SW was in 77

3- I love Looney Tunes - but why don't the coyote BUY an roadrunner instead of an ACME product? ( probably this could be"reason 1 to hate Looney Tunes" rsrs)

4 I didn't compare SW with Looney Tunes, I just said that SW , Looney Tunes,
Star Trek , Lord of the rings , the life is not to be taken so seriously.

ex: reasons to hate the life:

1 - Why do we die?
2 - Why has God created the Infeccious bacteria and the lung cancer?
3 - Why has God created Osama Bin Laden & George Bush ?
4 - Why don't we have in our solar system , so many planets with intelligent life , good air to breath , good weather , gravity like in Earth , like SW galaxy do ? - why are we alone in the Universe?
5 - Why doesn't God make the explosions in space with sounds so that SW would be correct?
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Posted 12 August 2005 - 03:35 AM

Reinaldoinvader - You are defending ROTS pretty hard for someone who thinks the entire SW series shouldn't be taken very seriously. tongue.gif
I would hardly call ROTS a complex film. In fact part of the reason I disliked the movie so much is because I felt like my intelligence was being insulted.
Anakin's reason to turn to the darkside - Because he was told by Palpatine that he could save Padme through the darkside. Neither original nor terribly smart. The average 10 year old could have spotted the flaws in that plan. Basically Anakin turned to the darkside because that was what the script said and to me that is the amount of thought that was put into almost the entire PT.

Now, not to say that the OT is perfect - there are plenty of holes, errors, bad dialogue and bad acting but I am willing to ignore some of that if the rest is entertaining. ROTS was boring and just plain bad. This helped to make the things that annoyed me stand out even more. If you are not paying attention to the story you have to be looking at something and I am afraid that for me it was all the things wrong with it.

You liked ROTS - that's cool and your opinion but many people didn't and we can point out as many problems we had with it as we can find.
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