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Posted 14 June 2005 - 10:41 AM

Great reasons. My favorite would have to be your comments on Obi Wan cracking that extremely predictable "Another happy landing joke" after they just demolished a control tower and killed all those people. Reminded me of that Simpsons episode where Homer and Bart are watching When Buildings Collapse and cheering.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE (Firewhenready @ Jun 14 2005, 10:21 AM)
First of all, did you notice that when Palpatine said something about "You remember your mother, and the Sand People?" that there was a Tusken Raider yell in the background?  That was really distracting to me, as if GL thought he had to remind the audience what a Tusken Raider sounds like.  It didn't really fit there and it felt like an insult to my intelligence.


Agreed. That was pretty stupid. For some reason I didn't comment on that. I must be slipping. wink.gif It was pretty dumb though.

QUOTE (Firewhenready @ Jun 14 2005, 10:21 AM)
Second of all, this is just sort of a comparison that I made, but...isn't the whole part where they rescue Palpatine just like a video game?  They go through an enemy ship, fighting droids, knowing that Palpatine is hidden in the observation tower(the boss room), then they get there, see him, and plan to rescue him, but then the boss enemy(Dooku) comes and they have to fight him.  Then they have to escape from the ship in Metroid fashion.


Yes. The whole series is basically just a video game these days. Which would be fine if it were a movie based on a video game, I suppose.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:03 PM

I was surprised not to see a mention of 'ray shields'. Yet another bit of prequel technology that doesn't seem to exist in the proper star wars films.

'I sense that my old master Obi-wan Kenobi is aboard the Death Star. Throw a ray shield around him and I'll sort it out after lunch.'
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:19 PM

REASON #11

ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
COUNT DOOKU: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.
ANAKIN: No, I said my POWERS have doubled, not my pride.
COUNT DOOKU: Oh, I'm sorry, I must have misheard. I am incredibly old you know.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:29 PM

Further to Reason #18 -

It has been mentioned in interviews that GL made 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' "compulsory viewing" for the Ewen and Hayden - so that they might get a feel for the friendship they were supposed to have before Anakin's fall.
But how in hell Georgie Porge thought he was getting anything near the level of that banter is beyond me. Not only was his script as weak as piss but the chemistry that his direction created between the two 'leads' was like watching two straight guys trying to convince each other that they're not gay.

Not to mention that it's just wrong to tease your actors by showing them a real movie while insisting they star in your playschool pantomime.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Andrew @ Jun 14 2005, 05:19 PM)
REASON #11

ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
COUNT DOOKU: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.
ANAKIN: No, I said my POWERS have doubled, not my pride.
COUNT DOOKU: Oh, I'm sorry, I must have misheard. I am incredibly old you know.


Continuing:

PALPATINE: (sighs) Oh, get on with it!
OBI-WAN: (groaning) Oh, my legs...
COUNT DOOKU: (looks at Obi-Wan) ...
ANAKIN: Gotcha!
COUNT DOOKU: Doh!!! (Homer-like)


Ok. No more.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ Jun 14 2005, 09:20 AM)
True, however, I don't think you can just hold onto something to avoid from being sucked out of a pressurized room.  And pressurization would be the major concern, apparently.


I don't want to labour this point, but if you want wind, you need air, and there's not much in a room. If the room empties of air in a matter of seconds (and it would, if the doors are air-tight) there will be no gale force wind dragging people outwards. It goes back to the myth that depressurising a vessel will suck people outside. Goldfinger is at fault here, in my opinion.

Anyway, I think I can guess one of the later "reasons":

PAD-UH-MAY - Hayden Christensen AKA Anakin AKA Darth Vader pronounced the name this way (wrongly), as is so well nailed already.

PAD-MEE - as pronounced correctly by James Earl Jones AKA Darth Vader.

Now how to reconcile this rather obvious continuity error? Over to George Lucas... I would guess this will come in at 86 in the reasons...?

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ Jun 14 2005, 11:47 AM)
Agreed.  That was pretty stupid.  For some reason I didn't comment on that.  I must be slipping.  wink.gif  It was pretty dumb though.
Yes.  The whole series is basically just a video game these days.  Which would be fine if it were a movie based on a  video game, I suppose.


Ugh! I hated the Tusken Raider "arp arp" too! I can't believe you didn't mention that. IMHO it really ought to be included, since it is far more irritating than some of the things you did (rightfully) comment on.

Similarily - is this the first Star Wars movie that has flashbacks and flash-forwards? I don't remember the action ever being interrupted to go backwards to retell something, but in this one, they kind of did with the Tusken Raider memory. Also, Anakin's visions - some people hate them, I thought that they were okay (only okay), but there is really no precedent for these sorts of film techniques in either trilogy.

Someone before commented that Luke's visions on Dagobah were better because they weren't spelling everything out for the audience, and I'd have to agree.

One more thing - what is with shields on ships? In the OT, the Millennium Falcon and Imperial shuttles swoop in and out of the Death Star, no problem, while those air shields stay up and Stormtroopers and everyone's dog walk around as ships come in. What is the difference between these shields on entrances and the shields in ROTS that Anakin destroys. He obviously didn't destroy the ship's deflector shields - why would deflectors protect everything but the thing generating them? So, I guess I am asking, what is the difference (if any) between the protecting shields and air shields on docking bays. If a defense shield is destroyed, does that mean the air shield is also destroyed?
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:15 PM

The most truly offensive moment for me was the climatic battle between Obi-wan and Anakin; really the lynchpin of the ENTIRE 6 movies. From how Obi-wan descibes it to Luke in Ep. IV--I don't know about you guys, but I envisioned an epic struggle, Ben valiantly trying to convince Anakin to turn away from the emperor, a furious battle ensuing ending with Anakin clutching a ledge poised over his imminent doom of molten lava (cliche yes, but whattayagonnado). Ben then heroically attempts to save his friend and "brother", but fails to do so (and in my mind always a bit of ambiguity as to whether he actually failed in his attempt or perhaps let Anakin fall). But no.
I knew Lucas would screw up this pivotal scene but never did I imagine I would see OBIWAN SCREAMING AT A FLAMING PARAPALEGIC SCANT FEET AWAY NOT OFFERING ANY HELP WHATSOEVER WHILE HIS "BROTHER" INGESTS TOXIC FUMES.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:35 PM

QUOTE (floppylobster @ Jun 14 2005, 12:29 PM)
Further to Reason #18 -

It has been mentioned in interviews that GL made 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid' "compulsory viewing" for the Ewen and Hayden - so that they might get a feel for the friendship they were supposed to have before Anakin's fall.
But how in hell Georgie Porge thought he was getting anything near the level of that banter is beyond me. Not only was his script as weak as piss but the chemistry that his direction created between the two 'leads' was like watching two straight guys trying to convince each other that they're not gay.

Not to mention that it's just wrong to tease your actors by showing them a real movie while insisting they star in your playschool pantomime.


At least he attempted to show some sort of affection between the 2. In AOTC there was not a shred of evidence that there was a hint of a bond between the 2.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (jxw @ Jun 14 2005, 06:20 PM)
PAD-UH-MAY - Hayden Christensen AKA Anakin AKA Darth Vader pronounced the name this way (wrongly), as is so well nailed already.

PAD-MEE - as pronounced correctly by James Earl Jones AKA Darth Vader.


Anakin was born (or whatever) on the Texas area of Naboo.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (Thracozaag @ Jun 14 2005, 09:15 PM)
  I knew Lucas would screw up this pivotal scene but never did I imagine I would see OBIWAN SCREAMING AT A FLAMING PARAPALEGIC SCANT FEET AWAY NOT OFFERING ANY HELP WHATSOEVER WHILE HIS "BROTHER" INGESTS TOXIC FUMES.


If you be really strict about this, he wasn't screaming at a paraplegic. You see, he *could* move his stumps. I think he was more like a basket case (with a cool thumbsup.gif bionic arm, though).
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (Thracozaag @ Jun 14 2005, 04:15 PM)
The most truly offensive moment for me was the climatic battle between Obi-wan and Anakin; really the lynchpin of the ENTIRE 6 movies. From how Obi-wan descibes it to Luke in Ep. IV--I don't know about you guys, but I envisioned an epic struggle, Ben valiantly trying to convince Anakin to turn away from the emperor, a furious battle ensuing ending with Anakin clutching a ledge poised over his imminent doom of molten lava (cliche yes, but whattayagonnado).  Ben then heroically attempts to save his friend and "brother", but fails to do so (and in my mind always a bit of ambiguity as to whether he actually failed in his attempt or perhaps let Anakin fall).  But no.
  I knew Lucas would screw up this pivotal scene but never did I imagine I would see OBIWAN SCREAMING AT A FLAMING PARAPALEGIC SCANT FEET AWAY NOT OFFERING ANY HELP WHATSOEVER WHILE HIS "BROTHER" INGESTS TOXIC FUMES.
  Some Jedi ermm.gif
  Good one Lucas.  Moron.

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I think this scene wouldn't have been so glaring if Obi-Wan had been shown trying to redeem Anakin. In my mind, though, Anakin got what he deserved. Obi-Wan couldn't let him go, but he couldn't bring himself to kill him, either. I see Obi-Wan's actions not as callous so much as just conflicted. He thought that there was no saving him, couldn't let him go free to wreak havoc, but didn't have the real heart to kill him, either. As far as mercy killing, did Anakin deserve mercy? According to the Jedi, the physical world is not what is important, anyway. Obi-Wan believes in The Force, not the physical realm; of course, in cases of human suffering, the Jedi would step in and do something, I think, but at this point, Obi-Wan viewed Anakin as an abomination against nature and not really human - this at least is supported by the OT ("He's more machine now than man.").Also, if viewed from a spiritual viewpoint, Anakin caused his own fate, so why should Obi-Wan change that fate if he believes that the Sith are truly evil? He probably believed that this was the will of The Force. Yes, it's callous by our standards, but not probably by Obi-Wan's. This is a lame example, but here goes - if you could free Satan from Hell, would you? Doing that would be defying God's will that that is Satan's fate, despite the fact that Satan is being tortured. Like Satan, Anakin only brought this upon himself. These are my thoughts, at least. Let me know what you think.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Private Zod @ Jun 15 2005, 10:35 AM)
At least he attempted to show some sort of affection between the 2.  In AOTC there was not a shred of evidence that there was a hint of a bond between the 2.


And that is of course Chefelf's point for reason #18. GL's attempt to establish a great friendship suddenly comes out of NOWHERE and is therefore an obvious attempt to try and give more weight to the fight at the end. It comes across as just another heavy-handed attempt at manipulating the audience. It's akin to making Indy say "I hate snakes" when the title of the movie is 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Snakes'. The audience knows exactly why the line is there and you are taken out of the movie faster than if you opened with a CGI shot that follows behind a ship like its one of the bats out of VanHelsing.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 06:07 PM

Reason #11 was a big one for me. That duel was a pathetically obvious attempt to get rid of Dooku as quickly as possible. It was very poorly done; Dooku takes on Anakin and Obi-Wan with no visible effort, chokes Obi, kicks Anakin across the room like a rag doll, crushes Obi with a platform...and then Anakin just decides that he's had enough of this bullshit and takes down Dooku in thirty seconds.

Apparently Anakin's amazingly high midichlorian count far outweighs Dooku's decades of lightsaber experiance. dry.gif
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