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91 Reasons to Hate Episode III Revenge of the Sith Articles Have Begun!

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ Jun 13 2005, 02:20 PM)
This is funny stuff, but pretty irrelevant to your point.


Gee, LM, I think we've been here before. Of course this is funnyThat's the whole point.

I loved the bit about the chocolate cake and tummy aches, I didn't know what was bothering me about this line before and now I know biggrin.gif
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ Jun 13 2005, 03:20 PM)
I clearly don`t see why those are reasons to hate.

Physics in fantasy movie? Complaining about cliche dialogues in Star Wars?

This is funny stuff, but pretty irrelevant to your point.


I agree with the Dark Lord Melkor. The reasons are funny but I don't sense them like reasons to HATE a movie.

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 03:54 PM

The "I shouldn't have dont that line.." did not bug me at the time. It bugged me later on when Anakin starts killing everthing without remorse.

Regarding OB1's LEGS.

Thank you chef! I saw this film with 4 other people and none of them caught that. The steel walk way completely crushed his legs and then a couple shots later it's a non-issue.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 05:14 PM

Well, Grievous is technically a cyborgish thing. But, what if his robot body has something to help him breathe?
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 05:36 PM

Reason #17
The Millennium Falcon
Georgie Boy just couldn't help himself. He had to insert the Millennium Falcon into Revenge of the Sith. Perhaps his lament that a five-year-old Han Solo may have been unnecessary was only overcome by this move. I can imagine him wrestling with his emotions, trying to fight it. His hands trembling as he reaches for his pen and finally gives in and writes it into the script. Afterwards, he must have gasped, tossed his pen aside and grinned his needle-toothed grin.

Fanboys will undoubtedly argue that it was not the Falcon but merely another Corellian freighter that resembled it. I refuse to believe that that is the case after spending the past six years seeing a baby Greedo, Chewbacca, the Tantive IV, Death Star plans and a ten year old Boba Fett. The only thing that surprises me is that the Millennium Falcon does not sweep across the foreground followed by a scene where a five-year-old Lando Calrissian loses the ship to a five-year-old Solo in a game of sabaac.


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Posted 13 June 2005 - 06:09 PM

Hi - big fan, really enjoy the Reasons! Just wanted to nitpick #15 about the cold vacuum of space. Obviously these Sci-Fi scenes are pretty stupid, but...

Although space is that cold, the air rushing past the characters is from the ship and presumably at room temperature. Also space by definition is empty. So there are only a very, very few molecules/atoms floating around at 2.7 K. In order to lose heat, you need to transfer it to something - and there's nothing there in space which can accept that heat. So the temperature of space is largely irrelevant. In a vacuum, heat transfer is largely radiative (not conductive or convective) and so freezing to death should be lower on the list of worries.

I'd be more concerned with people suffering from "the bends" as a result of the sudden pressure drop. Surely the pressure is dropping rapidly. Not only that, but there is the bernouli affect - the faster that a fluid rushes over a surface, the lower the pressure it exerts on that surface. So that air rushing quickly out of the ship is exerting an even lower pressure than you would nominally figure.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (darth gimp @ Jun 13 2005, 06:09 PM)
Hi - big fan, really enjoy the Reasons!  Just wanted to nitpick #15 about the cold vacuum of space.  Obviously these Sci-Fi scenes are pretty stupid, but...

Although space is that cold, the air rushing past the characters is from the ship and presumably at room temperature.  Also space by definition is empty.  So there are only a very, very few molecules/atoms floating around at 2.7 K.  In order to lose heat, you need to transfer it to something - and there's nothing there in space which can accept that heat.  So the temperature of space is largely irrelevant.  In a vacuum, heat transfer is largely radiative (not conductive or convective) and so freezing to death should be lower on the list of worries.

I'd be more concerned with people suffering from "the bends" as a result of the sudden pressure drop.  Surely the pressure is dropping rapidly.  Not only that, but there is the bernouli affect - the faster that a fluid rushes over a surface, the lower the pressure it exerts on that surface.  So that air rushing quickly out of the ship is exerting an even lower pressure than you would nominally figure.


so then chefelf is wrong on the particular but still correct on the general.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE (floppylobster @ Jun 11 2005, 07:29 AM)
Reason #92

If - and I know it's a big if - someone had never seen Star Wars movies before. And if - and this is a bigger if - they wanted to watch them in order of Episode 1 to 6. Then why did George have Padme give away everything by telling us the names of her children right before karking it?

If he had taken out that line and cut the scene of Obiwan going to Tattoine then new viewers would watch A New Hope with only a vague suspicion that Luke might be one of the children. And maybe even thinking he may have 'born' like Anakin was (being from the same planet and all).

And only the very observant might catch that Leia is travelling in a similar ship from ROTS. But there'd be no outright confirmation from Padme - "This one's Luke, and you'll be seeing him again soon. This one's Leia, she's his sister but he won't find that out for another couple of movies."

Now the Father scene in Empire just catches the characters up with what the audience was told two movies earlier. Where it could have still been some kind of reveal, where you at least went "I knew it!".


i think no one replied to this because you have a point.

so many opportunities were lost no one even cares to count anymore
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 06:50 PM

Reason #17
The Millennium Falcon
Georgie Boy just couldn't help himself. He had to insert the Millennium Falcon into Revenge of the Sith. Perhaps his lament that a five-year-old Han Solo may have been unnecessary was only overcome by this move. I can imagine him wrestling with his emotions, trying to fight it. His hands trembling as he reaches for his pen and finally gives in and writes it into the script. Afterwards, he must have gasped, tossed his pen aside and grinned his needle-toothed grin.

Fanboys will undoubtedly argue that it was not the Falcon but merely another Corellian freighter that resembled it. I refuse to believe that that is the case after spending the past six years seeing a baby Greedo, Chewbacca, the Tantive IV, Death Star plans and a ten year old Boba Fett. The only thing that surprises me is that the Millennium Falcon does not sweep across the foreground followed by a scene where a five-year-old Lando Calrissian loses the ship to a five-year-old Solo in a game of sabaac.


in an earlier post i said i liked this subliminal tie in much better then the stupid chewbacca and boba fett and ET antics.

i think the Star Wars team shouldn't be ridiculed for sneaking in the MF, but praised for the way the did it correctly. I couldn't even see the MF when i first saw ROTS, you have to look for it, like the ETs in TPM. The major difference is that you groan when you see ETs because it changes everything, where seeing a YT series Corellian freighter on Coruscant changes nothing. The ideal PT would have several hidden tie ins to the OT, only hidden in a "Where's Waldo" fashion. It would totally increase the replay value of the PT. Its another sign that GL would be heading in the right direction, if he hadn't totally screwed up Chewbacca and Boba Fett and the Death Star and everything else.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 07:41 AM

Would any one tell me where exactly is Millenium Falcon? I tried to watch the bit between the "another happy landing" line and Anakin greeting Padme, but could not see it.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 08:32 AM

I loved the bit about the Millennium Falcon. And the 'severed hand count'. biggrin.gif
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 09:20 AM

QUOTE (jxw @ Jun 13 2005, 03:03 PM)
Space is very cold, it's true, but there are three ways of transmitting heat: conduction, convection and radiation. The only one availbale in a vacuum is radiation, and that's very slow.You would radiate your heat out, at the same rate you do now, but you would not receive any warmth. Thermos (vacuum) flasks keep things warm because the heat only escapes slowly. Standing in the vacuum of space would be rather like standing in a thermos flask. (No, it wouldn't be the same, but it's a more accurate comparison than expecting icy blasts to overcome them.)


True, however, I don't think you can just hold onto something to avoid from being sucked out of a pressurized room. And pressurization would be the major concern, apparently.

QUOTE (Andrew @ Jun 13 2005, 03:10 PM)
Maybe Palatine ate the Dooku neck steak with some fava beans and a nice glass of jawa juice.


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QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ Jun 13 2005, 03:37 PM)
I loved the bit about the chocolate cake and tummy aches, I didn't know what was bothering me about this line before and now I know  biggrin.gif


Jen told me that one in the theatre except she used "Junior Mints" instead. smile.gif

QUOTE (SithAvenger @ Jun 13 2005, 03:43 PM)
I agree with the Dark Lord Melkor. The reasons are funny but I don't sense them like reasons to HATE a movie.


I covered this in the Intro. They're not so much "Reasons to Hate" as they are "Observations I have made about..." It's just a title really. smile.gif

QUOTE (Jordan @ Jun 13 2005, 03:54 PM)
Thank you chef! I saw this film with 4 other people and none of them caught that.  The steel walk way completely crushed his legs and then a couple shots later it's a non-issue.


This is what I'm saying! C'mon, it's right there on screen... his legs are crushed! I thought they were going to use that as an excuse why old Obi-Wan was so much slower with his attack in ANH.

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ Jun 14 2005, 07:41 AM)
Would any one tell me where exactly is Millenium Falcon?  I tried to watch the bit between the "another happy landing" line and Anakin greeting Padme, but could not see it.


As the shuttle approaches the hangar after the crash-landing it comes across the screen to dock from right to left on the bottom.

QUOTE (Helena @ Jun 14 2005, 08:32 AM)
I loved the bit about the Millennium Falcon. And the 'severed hand count'. biggrin.gif


The count will only rise. smile.gif
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 10:11 AM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Jun 13 2005, 05:36 PM)
Reason #17
The Millennium Falcon
Georgie Boy just couldn't help himself. He had to insert the Millennium Falcon into Revenge of the Sith. Perhaps his lament that a five-year-old Han Solo may have been unnecessary was only overcome by this move. I can imagine him wrestling with his emotions, trying to fight it. His hands trembling as he reaches for his pen and finally gives in and writes it into the script. Afterwards, he must have gasped, tossed his pen aside and grinned his needle-toothed grin.

Fanboys will undoubtedly argue that it was not the Falcon but merely another Corellian freighter that resembled it. I refuse to believe that that is the case after spending the past six years seeing a baby Greedo, Chewbacca, the Tantive IV, Death Star plans and a ten year old Boba Fett. The only thing that surprises me is that the Millennium Falcon does not sweep across the foreground followed by a scene where a five-year-old Lando Calrissian loses the ship to a five-year-old Solo in a game of sabaac.


YES! I knew it!  I just knew the falcon would show up.  After watching the last two films, I think I can read GL like a book.
actually at that time there were various different models of the same design. that wasnt the actual millenium falcon that han solo flies.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Revan-47 @ Jun 14 2005, 10:11 AM)
actually at that time there were various different models of the same design. that wasnt the actual millenium falcon that han solo flies.


I brought that up in the article (in fact, you quoted it wink.gif) but I refuse to believe that they chose to show another Corellian freighter, particularly we we see the Outrider in ANH.
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 10:21 AM

Chefelf, first of all, big fan of the Reasons. My bro and I have agreed with almost every one.
I don't know if you accept suggestions or if this is the correct medium for it if so, but there are a couple things that really bothered me in the movie, I don't know if they're still coming on your list or if they were left out.
First of all, did you notice that when Palpatine said something about "You remember your mother, and the Sand People?" that there was a Tusken Raider yell in the background? That was really distracting to me, as if GL thought he had to remind the audience what a Tusken Raider sounds like. It didn't really fit there and it felt like an insult to my intelligence.
Second of all, this is just sort of a comparison that I made, but...isn't the whole part where they rescue Palpatine just like a video game? They go through an enemy ship, fighting droids, knowing that Palpatine is hidden in the observation tower(the boss room), then they get there, see him, and plan to rescue him, but then the boss enemy(Dooku) comes and they have to fight him. Then they have to escape from the ship in Metroid fashion. It seemed very video game to me.
Oh, and one more. I don't know if you've seen the Lord of the Rings films, but there's a huge similarity between LOTR and the prequel Star Wars trilogy: in both, Christopher Lee plays a villain who loses a military battle in the second movie and then dies, after being betrayed, near the beginning of the third movie. It seemed almost intentional to me.
Once again, big fan of the Reasons, looking forward to the rest.
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