[barend]

Monkey wins. He is Equal of Heaven, you know.

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DAMNIT!!!

that was the only reason i even looked in this thread, to make that statement!!!

uh tatattatatatatat it hurt's!!!

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anyway... if you're going to beleive in god, why would you question when he says he made the world in six days, six thousand years ago?

and don't give me that carbon dating crap... that practice once regisrered a pair of reboks as being a few thousand years old...

the wonderful thing about creation and evolution is that they both require alot of faith, and are both a waste of time...

[Dr Lecter]

What about if you follow an atheist religion and don't believe in heaven?

[Chyld]

and don't give me that carbon dating crap... that practice once regisrered a pair of reboks as being a few thousand years old...

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Erm... that was just my inventive title for a News Desk thread...

But as to the matter in hand, I'm with Slade on this one. The way I see it, the exact Biblical version of events is probably as accurate as me declaring "The world was created when I came in a sock once. Yeah. DON'T ARGUE!"

BUT despite evolution being the most probable cause of life as we know it, it still doesn't explain where those first amoebas came from. Its exactly the same with how the world was created:

The world is here. How come?
Its a big old rock of space dust. Where did it come from?
We think that way back in time, particles were drawn together at super-high temperatures, and became a big ol' fiery lump of rock. Where did that dust come from?
Well, it was a by-product of the Big Bang. What's that?
Erm, not sure, a huge explosion at the beginning of time. What was there before that?
Erm... JELLY!

See? Even good old science has a "Erm... JELLY!" point, where it can't answer its own questions.

What's to say that God (or a God-equivilant) didn't clap his hands one sunny July evening, and set off a humongus bang that created everything that exists?

Only problem is, of course "Where did God come from?"

See, the best questions in life are utterly unanswerable...

[barend]

like why is more than 90% of the worlds wealth in possesition of less than 10% of the population?

where's you god or natralist theorists now?

fuck our origins...
if man couldn't be bothered documenting everything right away, then it probably wasn't worth remembering...

now get back to fixing the damn place...

This post has been edited by barend: 07 June 2005 - 08:44 PM

[Mnesymone]

Every answer leads to a question and ultimately to an unanswerable question - where did the prematerial mass come from? big bang. where'd that come from? look - a 1932 indian head nickel (running footsteps)... where'd god come from? from... that door, across the street (running footsteps and smoke grenade discharge).
I prefer evolution because it is possible to observe small-scale changes in laboratory conditions and because of dogs, but am slightly biased against creationism because of the christian overtones - and when I hear christian overtones I am mysteriously reminded of door-knocking Mormons, Matthew Hopkins, the Malleus Malaficarum and Revelations and go 'grrr!'

[civilian_number_two]

The world is here. How come?
Its a big old rock of space dust. Where did it come from?
We think that way back in time, particles were drawn together at super-high temperatures, and became a big ol' fiery lump of rock. Where did that dust come from?
Well, it was a by-product of the Big Bang. What's that?
Erm, not sure, a huge explosion at the beginning of time. What was there before that?
Erm... JELLY!

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What was before the Big Bang at the beginning of time? NOTHING, not even time. There was no "before" the Big Bang, since time was compressedin that time/space bubble as well. what caused the Bang to happen, then? Nothing. It just is.

Yeah, good points about the eventual need for an axiom. We won't be able to prove everything, and therefore we can't prove anything, I agree. I just don't see the need for God when you already have the essentially mystery of the Universe. God makes it MORE mysterious, not less, since you're ading that level of complexity. Occam's razor, and all.

[barend]

Occam eventually cut his wrists with that razor...

[Emu]

Where did the nothing come from before that?

[barend]

I made it...

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the concept of eternal nothingness doesn't really work...

what made nothing suddenly decide to become something else...

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[Slade]

Why does it need a reason?

[Jordan]

Intelligent Design is not really an imperial science. It's better left for philosphy.

Who takes biology here? Man that stuff was boring. I recall the evolution class in grade 7. I also recall the Canadian history class. I recall not caring about either of them. Kids are not making huge decisions at 14. In fact, I think it's the moment in time that a person is most stupid. What with puberty and all.

[barend]

Why does it need a reason?

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what?

for nothing to become something? that doesn't require a big bloody sit down and think?!?

to become the thing you've devoted yourself to not having within yourself...
That's the biggest descision nothing could have ever made!!!

[Kirby]

Puberty be damned, I've been stupider before and I plan to be stupider in the future.

[Slade]

I think kids are stupid because they choose to remain stupid instead of pursuing knowledge. Naive at 14, sure, but not always stupid. When your public education system boils down to little more than "Keep the kids from killing one another for 6 hours a day", that's all that's going to happen without individual effort, though.

[floppydisk]

Luckily, I'm able to retain pretty much everything I find interesting or amusing, with no effort. It just sticks in my brain.