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How did lava become canonical? Anakin's fall

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:56 AM

As far as we can tell, the only organic bits of General Grievous are his eyes, brain, heart and lungs. As to how only these parts of him survived the shuttle crash, we may never know. But the point is, there was a lot less left of Grievous after his accident than there was of Anakin. Anakin still had a body, a head, and most of his organic organs (although heavily damaged).

I never liked the idea of the lava and the molten pit. It seemed very cliche, to have someone being attacked by lava. I thought ROTS pulled of Anakin getting burned quite well (although I didn't like Mustafar as a whole - too LOTR), although it wasn't very clear was actually happened. Some lava creeped up the river bank, touched Anakin, and then he caught fire. Then the fire somehow stopped when the lava sank back down. Huh? I know Earth physics don't really apply to Star Wars (swimming through the core of a planet?), but Lucas should really do some research before coming up with these ideas.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:01 AM

Not a big fan of resident evil anakin. Sorry can't elaborate. In a rush.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Bohrok Awakener @ Jun 6 2005, 10:56 AM)
As far as we can tell, the only organic bits of General Grievous are his eyes, brain, heart and lungs. As to how only these parts of him survived the shuttle crash, we may never know. But the point is, there was a lot less left of Grievous after his accident than there was of Anakin. Anakin still had a body, a head, and most of his organic organs (although heavily damaged).

I never liked the idea of the lava and the molten pit. It seemed very cliche, to have someone being attacked by lava. I thought ROTS pulled of Anakin getting burned quite well (although I didn't like Mustafar as a whole - too LOTR), although it wasn't very clear was actually happened. Some lava creeped up the river bank, touched Anakin, and then he caught fire. Then the fire somehow stopped when the lava sank back down. Huh? I know Earth physics don't really apply to Star Wars (swimming through the core of a planet?), but Lucas should really do some research before coming up with these ideas.


The fire stopped when there wasn't much left to burn - clothes, hair, etc... - skin doesn't usually just burn on its own without an accelerant.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (CowboyCurtis @ Jun 6 2005, 08:42 AM)
I mean, there is no real precedent for it.

This is how I had imagined it to be (silly me), but I thought there was a Republic, and they had troops, and I thought that the Empire eventually corporated some Republic designs and styles in its overtake of the military, i.e., look at the Death Star Gunners, and some of the personel hanging around.. their helmets are very Vader-like!

I thought we might see a lot more Republic troopers (of course, I thought there would be Republic troops in the PT, but silly me, guess not), and eventually, this helmet style would be placed on Vader, and become a general in time (because he is a general in ANH).

If Anakin was to be cyborgized in anyway--in accordance to PT-logic---he ought to look more like General Grievous, right?


Yeah, really, they could have at least had other people around that had the helmets that resembled Darth Vader's. That could have at least explained the origin of his look. Other people in the OT had helmets that looked like that.

It just seems ridiculous for him to look like that all of a sudden. If the OT didn't exist and they made Anakin's helmet look like that for no good reason, people would have thought it was ridiculous.

Lucas must have figured that since it's FUCKING DARTH VADER, he didn't need to elaborate.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Darth Borba @ Jun 6 2005, 04:04 PM)
Yeah, really, they could have at least had other people around that had the helmets that resembled Darth Vader's. That could have at least explained the origin of his look. Other people in the OT had helmets that looked like that.

It just seems ridiculous for him to look like that all of a sudden. If the OT didn't exist and they made Anakin's helmet look like that for no good reason, people would have thought it was ridiculous.

Lucas must have figured that since it's FUCKING DARTH VADER, he didn't need to elaborate.



EU said that original idea had Vader being the Dark Lord of the Sith, but no one knew what the Sith were, we didn't get an answer until ep1. Originally the Sith were going to be an alien race like the Noghri that Vader had control over. Now EU says that the original Sith were an evil alien race that interbred with the dark jedi colonists of Korriban, creating what eventually evolved into the Sith Order. It would have been cool if while Palpatine was educating Anakin, he took him to an exclusive part of a Coruscant museum to look at ancient Sith artifacts, one of which would be a Sith helmet, facemask, or just Sith alien that looks a lot like what eventually becomes Vader's helmet.
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 07:56 PM

It's not the EU that introduces vader as a sith.
The screenplay for Star Wars introduces the character of DARTH VADER, DARK LORD OF THE SITH.
Vader has always been Sith. However the Sith were originally an order of Fallen Jedi, then an order that arose parallel to the Jedi that served the Dark Side of the Force, and now they claim that the Sith were an ancient, now departed, evil race.
Since when were the Sith supposed to be an enslaved race?
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 08:57 PM

anikan doesn't seem to have any trouble breathing before the respirator is activated...

just a thing...
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 11:37 PM

Does the force allow one to stay cool when surrounded by lava? Seriously, Luke broke more of a sweat while dueling with Vader in ESB than Anikan or Obi-Wan did while fighting in volcano world.
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 10:27 AM

Volcano world comment. At least Two times, there are glamour shots of Musterfa from orbit, and I'm thinking "Where's the Volcanic activity?" Even National Geographic provided us with pictures of eruptions from one of Jupiter's moons.

There may have been a small eruption, but I don't think it radiated from the center of the planet.

What is the logic of setting a base where it rains fire anyway? Seeing as how no one felt a drop rain down I suppose it's a moot point.
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