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Why didn't obi-wan finish off anakin?

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Posted 03 June 2005 - 03:01 PM

More and more reasons why I really don't like Star Wars anymore.

I remember a scene in the movie Windtalkers when a flamethrower armed soldier gets his fuel pack hit and he starts to burn hopelessly. Joe (one of the main characters) quickly ends his suffering by shooting him in the head with a pistol.

But I guess George Lucas would never allow even this kind of humanity in his movies. He has to do it in the most illogical and irrational manner possible. Not only does this totally ruin my former love for Star Wars, it also destroys the very idea that Jedi are good people. After the Prequels, I would more or less describe the Jedi as arrogent morons, killers, and all round fools who deserve to be wiped out. They got what they deserved in Episode III, and I'm actually quite sad tht they 'returned' in Episode VI right now! :x
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 03:28 PM

So, you're asking why Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin when Obi-Wan says point-blank to Yoda "I can't kill him"? Come on. I suppose Lucas could've inserted a brief flash-back to something that was said, oh, about 20 minutes beforehand. Yeah.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Dunedain @ Jun 3 2005, 03:28 PM)
So, you're asking why Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin when Obi-Wan says point-blank to Yoda "I can't kill him"? Come on. I suppose Lucas could've inserted a brief flash-back to something that was said, oh, about 20 minutes beforehand. Yeah.


Again, displaying enough compassion for someone that you are unable to kill them should mean that you'd spare them suffering given the chance - nobody disputes that Obi-Wan could have easily pulled Annakin away from the lava had he really cared about him that much. There's a reason the phrase coup de grace exists, you know. For Obi-Wan to neither kill nor help Annakin, but just deliver a pained lecture and leave him to suffer, is extremely cruel.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (JW Wells @ Jun 3 2005, 04:02 PM)
For Obi-Wan to neither kill nor help Annakin, but just deliver a pained lecture and leave him to suffer, is extremely cruel.


So is slaughtering children and force-choking your pregnant wife.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 04:22 PM

QUOTE (JW Wells @ Jun 3 2005, 05:02 PM)
Again, displaying enough compassion for someone that you are unable to kill them should mean that you'd spare them suffering given the chance - nobody disputes that Obi-Wan could have easily pulled Annakin away from the lava had he really cared about him that much.  There's a reason the phrase coup de grace exists, you know.  For Obi-Wan to neither kill nor help Annakin, but just deliver a pained lecture and leave him to suffer, is extremely cruel.


You've got a point, to an extent. I suppose it does show what kind of person Obi-Wan can be when you piss him off. Okay, nixing the flat-out statement "I can't kill him" and putting myself in Obi-Wan's shoes, I would still say that Obi-Wan was extremely benevolent in that scene. I have to admit, I think that those who are of the mind that Obi-Wan was cruel are, well, I don't want to use the wrong phrase, so I'll just say- curious.

Anakin betrayed the Jedi. Brought the Republic into ruin. Was responsible for the massacre of Obi-Wan's Jedi friends. Murdered children. Roasting for a few moments is an apt punishment. In fact, I would say he got off easy. If I were in Obi-Wan's shoes, not only would I not have killed Anakin, but I would've walked over to him and kicked him in the face while reciting the names of each Jedi and youngling. Then I would've taken out a bag of marshmallows and toasted them on him. Then I would've said "This will be over soon- I can only hope there is a hell and you fry in it for eternity for killing children".

What if someone killed your friends and murdered your neighborhood children? Then caught on fire? You would say "how cruel it was not to put him out"?

Compassion is one thing. Justice is another.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 04:25 PM

But you would have killed him at the end right? That was the whole idea.

Obi-Wan didn't. He left him there to be saved. When Palpatine showed up Anakin wasn't dying, he was just suffering.

Mission failed.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 05:48 PM

This is the issue! If lucas had done this scene properly (for it to take its rightful place as the most significant moment in THE ENTIRE SAGA) than there would be no confusion. the simple fact that CONFUSION EXISTS at this scene is testament that the scene's message is not effectively COMMUNICATED. If obi wan turned on and raised his light saber and prepaired to stab anakin but started to cry while looking into his eyes and turned the saber off, than the message would be effectively communicated to the audience that he couldn't do it. If obi-wan didn't kill him because he figured anakin was already dead and the sith was getting what he deserved, than obi-wan should probably have said something to the effect as "You hartless Sith! You've killed my brother! You will burn as you deserve!" Instead we are left with a totally awkward moment: he just walks slowly away. At a scene this profound, THERE SHOULD BE NO CONFUSION.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE (Dunedain @ Jun 3 2005, 10:22 PM)
If I were in Obi-Wan's shoes, not only would I not have killed Anakin, but I would've walked over to him and kicked him in the face while reciting the names of each Jedi and youngling. Then I would've taken out a bag of marshmallows and toasted them on him. Then I would've said "This will be over soon- I can only hope there is a hell and you fry in it for eternity for killing children".

Then you disgust me, frankly, and I bloody well hope I never meet you in real life - or anyone who could be so sadistic as to do that. Whether Anakin deserves to die is one thing - but a death as slow, painful and disgusting as that, no way. That's frickin' torture, pure and simple - and for Obi-Wan to calmly stand there and watch that happening to his former friend, yet be unable to kill him outright, is beyond belief.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 03 June 2005 - 07:55 PM

Honestly, after the third and fourth time watching the movie it does stand out more and more. Obi Wan gives a passionate speech how he loves Anakin, and fialed him, then just walks away to leave him in pain. As well done as it is...it does make Obi Wan look very cold and heartless, despite Anakin's terrrible actions against the Jedi.
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Posted 04 June 2005 - 03:55 AM

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Then you disgust me, frankly, and I bloody well hope I never meet you in real life - or anyone who could be so sadistic as to do that. Whether Anakin deserves to die is one thing - but a death as slow, painful and disgusting as that, no way. That's frickin' torture, pure and simple - and for Obi-Wan to calmly stand there and watch that happening to his former friend, yet be unable to kill him outright, is beyond belief.


Personally, I'd rather unload a magazine or two of ammo into Anakin. Nto only to end his pain, but to make certain that he's dead. I won't take any chances that that bastard would ever come back to do MORE damage! angry.gif
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Posted 04 June 2005 - 06:40 AM

QUOTE (Paladin @ Jun 4 2005, 09:55 AM)
Personally, I'd rather unload a magazine or two of ammo into Anakin. Nto only to end his pain, but to make certain that he's dead. I won't take any chances that that bastard would ever come back to do MORE damage! angry.gif

That's a good point - ironically, it's Obi-Wan's cruelty here that actually allows Vader to survive, leading to yet more misery for the entire galaxy. And frankly, he bears enough responsibility for that to start with.

In any case, whatever your personal feelings on the subject, a Jedi is absolutely the last person who should be acting in that way. The Jedi aren't supposed to take revenge at all, let alone in such a cruel and painful fashion. If Obi-Wan had behaved like a real Jedi and ended Anakin's life as quickly as possible, the galaxy would have been spared a whole lot of suffering.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 04 June 2005 - 09:26 AM

Exactly! And once again, bringing the character of Obi-Wan down yet another notch. Hell, I think we've slipped off the rack now....
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Posted 04 June 2005 - 03:27 PM

Right on dude. C'mon. So Obi-Wan left him there. He probably thought he was going to die. It's not Obi-Wan's fault that the Emperor was more connected with his apprentice than the Jedi had been in the prequels. Also, there just might have been a side of Obi-Wan that still cared about Anakin. No one laughed in the theater I was at. There was a sense of shock, and even a sense of sadness at what had happened. Nitpickers...

QUOTE (Private Zod @ Jun 3 2005, 06:28 AM)
The novel stated that Kenobi no longer felt that this was Anakin, it was totally Vader.  And for his crimes, he deserved no mercy.  That is why he left him there to rot. 

Did everyone who visits this forum got to the same theater to watch this film?  Every post I have read about this film had comments like "People in the theater were openly laughing at this or that".  I saw the film twice as did alot of people I know, and not once did I hear anyone cackle about the film while in the theater.  The film made $280MM in 2 weeks and the vast majority were pretty happy with the film overall.  Yeah, there were some weak points, but cripes...I do not think anyone here would be happy no matter what was shown on film.

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Posted 04 June 2005 - 03:59 PM

All I'm saying is that Obi-Wan is not the paragon that he was presented as in ANH/ESB. Obi-Wan leaving Anakin there is an all-time low. The Obi-Wan from ANH/ESB would not have done that.
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Posted 04 June 2005 - 04:02 PM

So Darth's weren't the only leg-ends to die that day.
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