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Posted 05 June 2005 - 01:55 AM

QUOTE (andy_k_250 @ Jun 3 2005, 10:29 AM)
I really hate this theory. I am not arguing with your logic or anyone else's, but I hate the idea that Palpatine "made" Anakin.


couldn't agree with you more there...

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ Jun 4 2005, 09:54 PM)
Still... I still can't get over how silly the idea of Darth Plagueis the Wise is... when your prefix is Darth, you don't get friendly suffixes, and no one gets a silly name like Plagueis.
Darth Vlad the Impaler (evil prefix and suffix)
Darth Maul the Friendly (doesn't sound right)


Darth Evilblackdeath the sound investor
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 02:51 AM

And another thing - are names like Darth Sidious, Darth Tyrannous and General Grievous about as subtle as Lord Darkskullblackmoonroseblood?
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 09:40 AM

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Everyone talks about Elan Sleazebagbangino and Baron Paranoia or whoever they are and I have no clue who any of these people are.


Elan Sleazebaggano was the guy in the beginning of AOTC trying to sell Obi-Wan sigarettes (or "death sticks", as he called them). Darth Paranoia (or something, problem with memory) was the Darth Palpatine talked about who could create life.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 04:47 PM

darth plageous...lol darth paranoia...sounds like somethin gl would make though
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 05:23 PM

To get back on topic, someone prove to me that Darth Plageous could not have been responsible for creating Anakin. It makes much more sense for him to have created Anakin than Sidious.

Consider this hypothetical situation. Sidious learned Plageous was using his powers to influence the midichlorians to create life. When Sidious learned of this, he probably assumed one day Plageous would have Anakin to be his apprentice. Fearing that this would occur, Sidious killed Plageous but never really knew where Anakin was created.

After the events of Episode One, Palpatine heard that a small boy from Tatooine was conceived by the will of the force. Realizing Anakin was probably created to be a Sith apprentice to Plageous in the first place, Palpatine decided to use Anakin to his own advantage.

It's makes absolutely no sense for Palpatine to have created Anakin and have him grow up as a slave. If Palpatine raised him from the start, it probably would have been easier for him to influence Anakin in the first place.

Prove to me Plageous was not the creator.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 07:05 PM

Not going to - partly because I think the whole creation doover is silly - partly because I agree with your points, and partly because as above I said that either Sidious or Plagueis was the creator - Plagueis is logically the actual creator, but there are some story pieces that make it seem that Sidious was the creator.

(And why the hell does deathstick man have a name - why the hell does anyone know what it is)
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Jun 5 2005, 05:23 PM)
To get back on topic, someone prove to me that Darth Plageous could not have been responsible for creating Anakin.  It makes much more sense for him to have created Anakin than Sidious.

Consider this hypothetical situation.  Sidious learned Plageous was using his powers to influence the midichlorians to create life.  When Sidious learned of this, he probably assumed one day Plageous would have Anakin to be his apprentice.  Fearing that this would occur, Sidious killed Plageous but never really knew where Anakin was created.

After the events of Episode One, Palpatine heard that a small boy from Tatooine was conceived by the will of the force.  Realizing Anakin was probably created to be a Sith apprentice to Plageous in the first place, Palpatine decided to use Anakin to his own advantage. 

It's makes absolutely no sense for Palpatine to have created Anakin and have him grow up as a slave.  If Palpatine raised him from the start, it probably would have been easier for him to influence Anakin in the first place.

Prove to me Plageous was not the creator.


it's not an unreasnobale theory, and i won't bag it out, as it has merit, but it is not lucas' style to have anything affected by a character we don't see or meet...
he likes everyone to tie in (anikan and greedo, yoda and chewbacca, etc.).

i just can't see him making an outsider responsible of such a thing. a SW film being affected by an unmet character would be like a murder mystery where the killer turns out be none of the suspects or characters... but some random off the street...

although i must say... if anikan would have been raised by palpatine, he would never have been able to get him inside the jedi order to find out what was happening in there...
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:26 AM

Personally I don't think that anyone "created" Anakin through metachlorions or the force, etc. I think these theories are all grasping at straws. It all would be much more obvious in the film, had it been Lucas's intention. The reason it's so ambiguous and open to debate is because there's no solidity behind the script.

Anyways, my belief is Anakin was born of immaculate conception (no matter how rediculous and stupid) and it is clearly George Lucas's twisted vision as well. You people could make up your own theories. Next you'll be saying that Watto knocked up Shmi at some point because Yoda says something so poetic yet meaningless, that it could have a hundred different interpretations. The truth is stupid, but live with it.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE (GreviousMAKESmeSAD @ Jun 6 2005, 11:26 AM)
Personally I don't think that anyone "created" Anakin through metachlorions or the force, etc.  I think these theories are all grasping at straws.  It all would be much more obvious in the film, had it been Lucas's intention.  The reason it's so ambiguous and open to debate is because there's no solidity behind the script.

Anyways, my belief is Anakin was born of immaculate conception (no matter how rediculous and stupid) and it is clearly George Lucas's twisted vision as well.  You people could make up your own theories.  Next you'll be saying that Watto knocked up Shmi at some point because Yoda says something so poetic yet meaningless, that it could have a hundred different interpretations.  The truth is stupid, but live with it.


I kind of like the idea of Anakin being a failed messiah. It's not really something that has been done before, so far as I know.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ Jun 5 2005, 07:05 PM)
Not going to - partly because I think the whole creation doover is silly - partly because I agree with your points, and partly because as above I said that either Sidious or Plagueis was the creator - Plagueis is logically the actual creator, but there are some story pieces that make it seem that Sidious was the creator.

(And why the hell does deathstick man have a name - why the hell does anyone know what it is)


In that post a while back, were you asking about Baron Papanoida (sp?) - that is the George Lucas cameo in the opera house.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Jun 2 2005, 04:43 AM)
Incorrect.  If Palpatine had actually learned everything Plageous knew, then he would be capable of preventing people from dying.  Palpatine admits to Anakin that "together they can find a way", which means Palpatine doesn't know how to cheat death.

However, in the final scene on Mustafar it seems as though when Palpatine puts his hand on Anakin's forehead he is doing something to help keep him alive.

There's no way to know for sure.



The only thing that struck me about this, was the Sith have been around, I think, for over 1,000 years. Why then didn't it occur to Anakin, that not one Sith, NOT ONE, had managed to find a way to prevent people from dying. More sespecially themselves. Didn't Dooku's death give him a clue? Why on earth, would he believe such an obvious untruth? Because it was in the script
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ Jun 4 2005, 03:06 AM)
Besides, the names for the Sith are damn obvious.
Darth Maul... well, obviously from Maul he's... well a vicious physical force whoses brain is not the most important piece of the package... name tells all.
Darth Sidious... well, he's... subtle, insidious, uses tricks and secrets and lies before force.
Darth Tyrannous... well, he's majestic but evil.


Why not Darth Nuendo? Darth Vason? Or even Darth Tergalactic-Warfare?
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 08:09 PM

QUOTE (GreviousMAKESmeSAD @ Jun 6 2005, 11:26 AM)
You people could make up your own theories.


it's not a theory... it's pretty obvious.
just because the character doesn't come right out and say: "oh, BTW anikan i made you, incase your too dim to get what i'm saying..."

All the information is right there...

alot of people missed it...

some didn't see it straight away and are too embarresed to admit that so they stick to their guns that it can't be so...


but it is...




deal with it...

i don't have to proove shit.

watch the film again....
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 08:45 PM

Funny isent it, Palpatine did learn how to cheat death so to speak in the EU.
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 11:13 PM

Hey, no grudge here, but I still don't believe it. It's just too ambiguous and not in George's list of things not-to-do-in-a-script manual. Not trying to offend. Just saying what I see.
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