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Posted 01 June 2005 - 09:24 PM

OK, my friends have this theory that Anakin's father is Darth Plageous. Where is the proof for this outrageous claim? They say Palps says that Plageous was able to create life through metachlorions. Anakin was born of Metachlorions. Plageous had some kind of insane plan to create an ultimate warrior and take over the galaxy when he created Anakin.

My friends swear by this theory, and think GL wrote it that way, and it didn't just happen by accident. Personally, I don't buy it, but I was wondering what you peops think.
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 11:31 PM

Palpy also says that plaugius taugh his aprentice everything he knew, and gives anikan a funny look...

palpy made annie

and everyone owes me $10.
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Jun 1 2005, 11:31 PM)
Palpy also says that plaugius taugh his aprentice everything he knew, and gives anikan a funny look...

palpy made annie

and everyone owes me $10.

Incorrect. If Palpatine had actually learned everything Plageous knew, then he would be capable of preventing people from dying. Palpatine admits to Anakin that "together they can find a way", which means Palpatine doesn't know how to cheat death.

However, in the final scene on Mustafar it seems as though when Palpatine puts his hand on Anakin's forehead he is doing something to help keep him alive.

There's no way to know for sure.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 01:47 AM

it's not incorrect on my part...

palpy said he taugh him everything he knew... (i have the film at home.)

so he either lied, or/and made up the part about keeping ones alive...




there is a way to know for sure...
it's totally lucas style.
he beleives in a small galxy where virtually everyone knows each other.

-if a green bounty hunter comes to kill you... chances are he picked on your next enemy.

-if a girl asks you to help defeat a bud guy, chances are she's your sister.

-if you buy a droid from jawas... chances are you already owned him.

-if your brother-in-law is a jedi... chances are he'll get trained by an old friend of your co-pilots.

-if you face the leader of the bad guys... chances are he's your father.

-if you by an R2 unit with a bad motivator... chances are the retailers will replace it with one that's trying to find your dad's best friend.

how could you possibly think otherwise?
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 01:56 AM

With the whole Plagueis thing... I kind of got the idea that either Sidious or Plagueis (probably Sidious) created Anakin - Sidious told Anakin that together they could learn to save Padme because Sidious never intended to save Padme - he could have, but he was just dangling that tasty fish to get Anakin to turn to the dark side.

And Barend - too funny by half.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 01:19 PM

Okay, you may not be incorrect, but you are assuming that Sidious was Plageous' apprentince. There is no evidence of this, aside from Palpatine smiling after he tells Anakin that "his apprentice killed him in his sleep". For all we know, Palpatine may have just found this story amusing. However, I will agree that Sidious was most likely Plageous' apprentice.

If we use the same train of thought then when Palpatine tells Anakin that "Plageous was capable of influencing the midichlorians in such a way that he could create life" and looks at Anakin with a smile after stating this, it would imply that Plageous was the one responsible for creating Anakin.

But the world will never know since it is never directly stated.

Also, Palpatine's exact words are "To cheat death is a power only ONE has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

It specifically says one, thus that one person was Darth Plageous. Plageous may have tried to teach his apprentice everything he knew, but that doesn't necessarily mean his apprentice understood everything he was being taught. Or maybe his apprentice understood how to cheat death, but simply lacked the power to do it.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 01:56 PM

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Or maybe...


... Lucas made yet another mistake.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Jun 2 2005, 11:19 AM)
Also, Palpatine's exact words are "To cheat death is a power only ONE has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

It specifically says one, thus that one person was Darth Plageous. 


Now I would have thought that person was Qui-gon.

Edit: Now there's a thought. What if Qui-gon was Darth Plaeugis? Ofcourse when Palps said 'killed in his sleep' he was speaking metaphoricaly, you know - Qui-gon was 'sleeping' in the sense he was ignorant that he didn't know he was going to be killed. It was Qui-gon who was working with Palps during the Trade Federation blockade, it was Qui-gon who identified Annakin as the choosen one, Maybe Qui-gon even ordered the clone army and deleted Kamino from the archives. But then Palps killed him off and took his plan for his own. It all fits!

MUHAHAHAHHA.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 06:04 PM

palpy later refers to "my master" on the same subject after they leave the opera...

it's pretty clear.

most people didn't pick up on it...

but it's there... trust me.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Jun 2 2005, 01:19 PM)
But the world will never know since it is never directly stated.

Also, Palpatine's exact words are "To cheat death is a power only ONE has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

It specifically says one, thus that one person was Darth Plageous.  Plageous may have tried to teach his apprentice everything he knew, but that doesn't necessarily mean his apprentice understood everything he was being taught.  Or maybe his apprentice understood how to cheat death, but simply lacked the power to do it.


First of all, since when did things need did to be directly stated to be known? The problem with the prequels is that every time there's a scene or a character, it has to be made PLAINLY OBVIOUS to the viewer. Now, finally, Lucas has learned how to use subtlety, at least a little bit, and just because it's subtle you say it's untrue. It is DIRECTLY IMPLIED that Palpatine created Anakin, that Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice, and that Palpatine killed Plagueis. I don't understand how anyone who knows anything about the story couldn't see that.

About the creating life thing, there are 2 possibilities.
1. Palps lied about Plagueis' power, saying it because he knew that if Anakin thought the Dark Side was a way to save Padme, he'd do it in a heartbeat

or (more likely, since it's Lucas)

2. Palps DOES know how to stop people from dying, and he holds that back from Anakin because a) he doesn't want Anakin to become too powerful and cool.gif he knows that Padme's death is going to be the thing that finally turns Anakin completely to the Dark Side, and of course does not want to save her.

Is it possible that Palps didn't have that power but Plagueis did? Yes, but in the context of the story it's very unlikely, considering Palpatine first says that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then says later before he reveals to Anakin he's Sidious that his master taught him everything he knew. Lucas feels the need to tell us that twice, basically confirming that Palps is Plagueis' apprentice and that Palps knows the power.

I thought the subtlety was done very well in Ep III, at least compared to the other two. Same with that "A prophecy misread, that could have been." It gets you thinking, hmm, maybe Anakin was the "Chosen One," but they didn't realize what exactly he was chosen for, or that maybe he wasn't and another Skywalker was. Episode III actually makes your mind work a little, which hadn't been done in a SW movie since '83 for me, and since '80 for a lot of you. More I think about it, more I like it.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Vwing @ Jun 2 2005, 06:21 PM)
First of all, since when did things did to be directly stated to be known?  The problem with the prequels is that every time there's a scene or a character, it has to be made PLAINLY OBVIOUS to the viewer.  Now, finally, Lucas has learned how to use subtlety, at least a little bit, and just because it's subtle you say it's untrue.  It is DIRECTLY IMPLIED that Palpatine created Anakin, that Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice, and that Palpatine killed Plagueis.  I don't understand how anyone who know anything about the story couldn't see that.


it's so true...

the one time he doesn't hit you aver the head with a direct statement, and his fans (who have become quite accostmed to being spoon-fed ever plot twist) have no idea what's going on....

i was so happy that finnally chose to present something with a little mystique, but as thinly shrowded as it was...

bugger all people got it...
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Jun 2 2005, 07:04 PM)
palpy later refers to "my master" on the same subject after they leave the opera...

it's pretty clear.

most people didn't pick up on it...

but it's there... trust me.



When? I didn't hear that. What are the lines??
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 10:47 PM

The problem I have with it is this-

How could it possibly be true? Why create your evil apprentice to be then just leave him stranded in a dangerous environment until the trillions to one chance occurs that he is discovered? he was already too old to be trained when QGJ found him, or was Sidious on his way there and the Jedi just beat him to it?
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (Vwing @ Jun 2 2005, 07:21 PM)
It is DIRECTLY IMPLIED that Palpatine created Anakin



I would say more that it's INdirectly implied, if implied at all. If it were directly implied Palpatine would have said, "Anakin I am your father", or something to that extent. Then he would have looked into the camera and winked, as a we hear a trumpet in the background. Wah Wah.

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Posted 03 June 2005 - 01:52 AM

QUOTE (jariten @ Jun 2 2005, 10:47 PM)
The problem I have with it is this-

How could it possibly be true? Why create your evil apprentice to be then just leave him stranded in a dangerous environment until the trillions to one chance occurs that he is discovered? he was already too old to be trained when QGJ found him, or was Sidious on his way there and the Jedi just beat him to it?


a harsh upbringing on tatooine would make him easier to manipulate to the darkside...

and it wasn't a trillion to one chance, given that tatooine was the nearest planet to naboo that was good for hiding on... combined with the fact that in SW people always seem to land on planets they have never been to exactly where they need to...

like luke on the planet in the dagobah system.

R2D2 and C3P0 on tatooine.

etc.
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