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After ROTJ what did Luke do about Vader?

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 02:23 AM

Now here's a really great topic for thoughtful debate. There is only one living person who actually witnessed the death of the emperor. Only one single living being who knows what happened in that room on the deathstar. Luke was literally the soul survivor of a while planet.

Does he tell people that Vader sacrificed himself? Does anyone believe him?

Does he tell them he killed Vader and the emperor both?

What do you think Luke might tell people when they asked him how he felt about his father?

How do other characters view Vader afterwards, depending upon what Luke tells them?

Would people in general view Vader as being a good person, a bad person, or simply ignore him?

It's clear that Vader was supposed to be redeemed by his actions, and I am of the mind that he was. That his selfless good deeds that were not at all forced upon him or the result of manipulation, show his true spirit. That by sacrificing the life that mattered most to him willingly he made a heroic action that made up for his past crimes.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 01:21 PM

I don't know. Ever since I saw Darth's funeral scene in ROTJ as a kid I was just mystified as to how he could burn that kickass outfit. I would have at least saved the mask as a souvenir.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 03:19 PM

well, i don't think luke would lie about what happened - he would tell it exactly like it was.

i don't think the average person would totally forgive vader for his past crimes. luke has a soft-spot for vader because he's his father, but the average oppressed person would not be so forgiving.

chef - you're absolutely right. at least save that helmet.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ Mar 28 2005, 01:21 PM)
I don't know.  Ever since I saw Darth's funeral scene in ROTJ as a kid I was just mystified as to how he could burn that kickass outfit.  I would have at least saved the mask as a souvenir.


i was exactly the same...

and I think luke told everyone what happened...

I would have said I walked in there and killed everyone...
I mean, what the hell... everybody died in the explosion anyway...

I would have said as i arrived back:
"Hey everyone, I'm back... I stole another shuttle and flew straight into the laoding bay, where 86 stormtroopers where alerted to my presence, by the fact that i parked on top of one of the greysuits... i deflected their lazer fire with my trusty sabre until they were all hit with 'friendly fire' and cut my way through those elite red gowned guards... man those dudes can fight, but a sliced those mother fuckers up good!!! then i marched into the emporers office and said, 'Yo prune face! what up!?!' to which he said, 'your friends will fail, cause i know about the secret plans' and i said, 'no way man, my friends rock, and you planting the plans for the bothans was something we already new about, you see it was us who allowed you to aloww the bothans to get the damn plans in the first place, and that's why we're going to win, gramps' then I cut his head of and threw him down a well, old Darthy here had something to say about it of course, but I cut his hand of and said, 'now we're even' proclaim me your new emporer, or i'll kill you' so he did, then i killed him anyway!!! so yeah... behold your new emporer!!!"

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 08:41 PM

Chefelf- Yeah, burning all that plastic and pvc must have violated a few environmental regulations. He probably got cited by the Ewokmental Protection Agency.

Little Jerry- I imagine Luke would have told people as well. I just think it's kind of interesting that he was the only witness, so it's possible that the imperials could have thought otherwise, and certainly would believe otherwise about Vader.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 10:00 PM

bad....

but rescorceful!!! smile.gif
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 06:50 AM

Yes, I think Vader was redeemed by his self-sacrifice - he could hardly do anything more under the circumstances, after all - but even if people believed Luke when he told them about it, I doubt that many of them would consider it enough to make up for Vader's past crimes. I'd be especially interested to see how Leia felt about it, given that Vader tortured her and destroyed her home planet...
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 06:53 AM

I think it's been mentioned in several books. I can't remember exactly, but at one point in some novel Leia meets people who vorship Lord Vader and actually call her "Lady Vader" because she is his daughter.

Struck me as a bit odd, though. Can anyone remember the name of this novel?
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 07:54 AM

YES!!! It was Timothy Zahn's trilogy Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command. This was the best thing to happen to Star Wars since 1980 and it deserves a place alongside the classic movie trilogy. It took the story to new heights and made the galaxy a much more hip and happening place. And unlike the classic trilogy, it ended with a bang, not with a whimper (yes, Return of the Jedi, I am looking at you).

On the subject though, I think Luke would have told everyone the truth and I think they'd all believe him. There'd be no reason not to. Luke's an honest guy and everyone would know this.

However, I wouldn't expect people like Han and Leia to jump on the bandwagon and forgive Vader suddenly. I wouldn't if I was in their circumstances.

It's funny actually - it was on TV the other night and I thought as I watched it, "It's a good thing that Vader died. If Luke had rocked up on Endor and introduced him to all his mates, that might have been... ackward."
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 07:56 AM

They don't need Luke to tell them what happened.. . they can see the blueish Hayden alongside with Qui-Gon, Yoda and Obi-Wan. That's a clear giveaway that Luke didn't singlehandedly defeated the emperor... blink.gif

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 07:59 AM

The Vader mask would probably have given Luke nightmares about getting his hand cut off.

Well who would forgive the guy who tortured you, blew up your planet and/or froze you in carbonite?

I never got into the whole expanded universe thing. Once the credits rolled on the 3rd film that was it for me.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:10 AM

Radu- Thats right, everyone did see Vaders ghost right? But just the fact that he's there dosn't mean he was a good guy. Wait a few years, soon Boba Fett will be in that scene.

JYAMG- I never read Zahn's work but I might after hearing so much about it.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:16 AM

I read Zahn's stuff quite a long time ago, and frankly speaking, it was just another novel for me back then. I have to get hold of the English edition once again to see is it was really that good.
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 09:07 AM

I've been planning on re-reading the Zahn books. At the time they were the coolest thing ever but that was after many long years of waiting after ROTJ. Of course the Zahn books pretty much begun the era of what the EU is today. Before that, the only SW books were really the Han Solo Trilogy, the Lando Trilogy and that Alan Dean Foster book.

In retrospect, the only thing I really disliked about them was that stupid crystal that could block the Force. That seemed dumb.
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 12:25 PM

...well, Zahn's stupid ysilimari (whatever) lizards that created an "anti-Force Bubble" was about the silliest and cop-out way to deal with Force Users. Good grief.
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