[DashRendar]

Yes your right, that would have made the whole Jedi purge believable. Sure the shroud of the darkside has fallen, but in all honesty does the Republic forget that the Jedis had been its defenders long before Palpatine showed up? Lucas fucked up everything Star Wars by making the Jedis look so stupid. The darkside could cloud a Jedis ability to see into the future, but no way in hell could it diminish his ability to actually use the force in other facets. That was just shoddy script writing. Imagine if Lucas spent more time on his script and making connections to the OT and EU rather than creating and outfitting Padme with a new dress in every other scene. This guy is so crammed with CGI that it is literally leaking out of his mouth, nose, ears and ass. LOL did you notice that Commander Cody's body was computer animated except for his head? LOL makes me wonder if Lucas remembered even bothered to remember all the spare Storm Trooper outfits he had in the original trilogy.

This post has been edited by DashRendar: 02 June 2005 - 03:58 PM

[CowboyCurtis]

Yes your right, that would have made the whole Jedi purge believable. Sure the shroud of the darkside has fallen, but in all honesty does the Republic forget that the Jedis had been its defenders long before Palpatine showed up?

Yes it could. In my rewrites, the Jedi "religion" is already waning. There haven't been any new Jedi born in the last 15 years (or so), and they are not concentrated on one planet (Coruscant), they are spread throughout the galaxy, swearing loyalty to a planet or system to protect it. Obi-Wan has sworn his allegiance to Alderaan, and it's protector.

Since the Republic doesn't ever actually see these Jedi, they begin to think they're myths or legends, which is a concept Lucas had in one of his early scripts for Star Wars (ANH).

This would work well with Motti's comment about ancient religion, since he'd be a young man at this point, he hasn't seen Jedi... they're already a rumor or myth.

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 02 June 2005 - 04:04 PM

[Despondent]

For General Dodonna to MTFBWY his pilots before the SW DS Attack is rather strange. The Jedi are all but extinct, and nobody was really calling on the force when they were around, either.

Maybe Luke got up and testified right before.

[Giff]

By killing off Anakin and then bringing him back to life, it would show some of the "powers of the dark side" that Palpatine was telling Anakin about.

And as for the "NOOOOOO!", several sites, such as YTMND.com have user-made pages poking fun at how corny it was delivered.

examples of such:

1) http://darthno.ytmnd.com/
2) http://darthpaddleball.ytmnd.com/
3) http://vaderfox.ytmnd.com/
4) http://unitedstatesofno.ytmnd.com/
5) http://cnnoooooooo.ytmnd.com/
6) http://vadergetsthetalk.ytmnd.com/



...the list goes on.

[Despondent]

NOOo, seriously. I haven't laughed that hard in memory. Well, the eighth grade. Suppressed in church. I'll have to think about it.

but those are pretty darn funny.

[Dunedain]

By killing off Anakin and then bringing him back to life, it would show some of the "powers of the dark side" that Palpatine was telling Anakin about.

And as for the "NOOOOOO!", several sites, such as YTMND.com have user-made pages poking fun at how corny it was delivered.

examples of such:

1) http://darthno.ytmnd.com/
2) http://darthpaddleball.ytmnd.com/
3) http://vaderfox.ytmnd.com/
4) http://unitedstatesofno.ytmnd.com/
5) http://cnnoooooooo.ytmnd.com/
6) http://vadergetsthetalk.ytmnd.com/
...the list goes on.

It's almost as corny as Luke's "That's impossible! No!" from Empire. Almost.

Seriously, though- do you always appeal to the masses for your appreciation of subjectives? Herd behavior?

[Despondent]

ESB wasn't corny. It was riveting. To me anyway.

Sith was all over the place. And it's not like that frankenstein scene had an extended dramatic buildup. Save the expectation of "this helmet is chafing my eyebrows."

[DashRendar]

Please Vader has been so pitifully portrayed in the Prequels that he has lost all respect even with regards to the OT. There is no consistent character development in Anakin whatsoever. Its rushed and shoddy at best. Never once are we told why he harbors certain anxieties regarding Obi Wan. Never once do we see why he also conisders him a father figure. Very similiar to his relations to Palpatine. We are told that Palpatine has been some kind of a mentor to Anakin but we are never given the oppurtunity to see it. Rather than answer many of the questions of the PT, ROTS frustratingly creates more. Why do we need to view the EU to get answers for most of the things that go unexplained in the movies? Thats just sloppy writing right there. Mind you I did enjoy Sith, but the prequels as a whole are a farce. I am a fan of George Lucas despite my frustrations with him, he does have SOME good ideas, I mean if he didn't the OT would have been shit. You know a script writer has done a terrible job in the prequels when he has to go back and constantly edit his original movies to create consistency.

[Despondent]

Didn't want to start a new thread. Maybe some others have had a change of heart. Please chime in if you have.

All summer I've felt as if I owed it to myself to see rots a third time "on the big screen", seeing as how it is the last SW flick, and has a couple of minutes which resemble the OT.

Last night I plugged the vcr up to watch some OT on the better tv; the 95 vhs of ESB (sigh.) The picture was pretty good, considering. But Darth has changed. A bud and I were watching and laughing at his grand entrance scene. It was sobering and plain sad.

So I got all geared up to go to rots today, as I have before. And at the last minute (as before,) said heck with it. This is the film which seriously changes perceptions of iconic figures. As Barend said in his first report, "get out before the birth of Darth." (or words to that effect.)

"It was better than the first two?" It sucked like the first two. And it's dragging the originals down with it.

[CptSeaMonkey]

LOL at defending the "higher ground" thing. If you'll defend that, you'll defend anything.

[Revan-47]

Sith arentnecessarily evil which is cool.  Its mentioned in the movie that they have the same basic structure as the Jedi except they rely on their passion for their strength.  The problem with Lucas is that he undermined this by making the Emperor a stereotypical evil character by making him constantly laugh and cackle.  I thought that greatly took away from his battle with Yoda.   I also hate the fact that there can only be two Sith, I mean it makes sense for the movie but to blatantly say it ruins many of the videogame expierences such as KOTOR, KOTOR 2 and Jedi Outcast.  I know the movies are supposed to be canon, but some of the stuff from the videogame plots such as the great Jedi Sith war is awesome.  Lucas is arrogance in regards to the way the movies are portrayed undermines a lot of the careful detail many people at Lucasarts put in creating a great plot for many of the games that provide him with finances.  Its a shame considering some plot tweaking instead of selling out for Burger King commercials could have satisfied all parties.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That didnt mean their were only two sith anywhere. that simply meant that there were only two sith at a time in the same place. it explains in the books that the sith are only two at a time to hide their numbers. their would have to be more then two sith, otherwise how do you explain dooku and maul and palpatine.

As for the midichlorians... obi wan in A New Hope clearly said that the force was bound to life and life created it and stuff like that. all they were doing was giving a scientific explanation of how life can support it. if it is the will of the force then ultimately it is the will of all living things and that is a lot cooler then the force being like a god.

This post has been edited by Revan-47: 31 July 2005 - 07:15 PM