[SPQR]

If the Jedi are a race, which they are, on the brink of extinction why do they not clone themselves?

A) They have no moral misgivings regarding cloning.
They have the technology and the facilities.
C) Obi knows the location and has a rapport with the inhabitants
D) It sure beats holing up in a swamp/desert for 30 years.
E) A thousand cloned Yodas bouncing around like a top are better than one in GL's world of exponential factors of enjoyment.

Why do we bother posing questions which can never be satisfactorily answered?

[floppydisk]

Well, they aren't a race. They're individuals from different races that have something in common.

[SPQR]

Well, they aren't a race. They're individuals from different races that have something in common.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wrong. The only ones worth a shit are humanoid Jedi, as the rest can't put up a fight fight and go extinct.
Leaving one race left. A race with a common Midoclorian infection, but a race nonetheless

[Dunedain]

If the Jedi are a race, which they are, on the brink of extinction why do they not clone themselves?

A) They have no moral misgivings regarding cloning.
B) They have the technology and the facilities.
C) Obi knows the location and has a rapport with the inhabitants
D) It sure beats holing up in a swamp/desert for 30 years.
E) A thousand cloned Yodas bouncing around like a top are better than one in GL's world of    exponential factors of enjoyment.

Why do we bother posing questions which can never be satisfactorily answered?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Perhaps one of the deleted scenes will answer this. From the script (takes place at end of movie- after Sidious' rise to power):

INTERIOR. KAMINO CLONING FACILITY

YODA and OBI-WAN KENOBI approach a KAMINO sitting behind a desk in a luminously white Kamino facility.

KAMINO: Welcome, Master Jedi.

OBI-WAN: Hello there.

KAMINO: And for what reason do we owe this unexpected, yet pleasant, visit from two Jedi?

YODA: Come to order more clones, we have.

OBI-WAN: Can you clone Jedi?

KAMINO: Why, yes we can.

OBI-WAN: Very good.

The KAMINO CLONER shuffles some papers. He looks around the desk and finds a pencil. After getting the order forms, he nods at OBI-WAN.

KAMINO: And how many clones would you like?

OBI-WAN scratches his beard. He looks down at YODA.

OBI-WAN: About five hundred?

YODA contemplates for a moment. The KAMINO CLONER impatiently taps his pencil while waiting. YODA looks up at OBI-WAN.

YODA: About one thousand, make it; yes?

OBI-WAN: Agreed. We'll take a thousand of them.

KAMINO: Very good. (writing on order form) One thousand clones for Jedi Masters (looks at OBI-WAN)

OBI-WAN: Ben. Ben Kenobi.

KAMINO: Very good. (continues writing) Ben Kenobi.

The KAMINO CLONER finishes the forms and puts the information into the facility computer archives. He returns with a calculator in his hand. Punching a few buttons, he looks at OBI-WAN.

KAMINO: That will be fifty-five million space dollars.

OBI-WAN looks down at YODA. YODA puts his hand into his robes, fishing for something, then looks up at OBI-WAN.

YODA: Left my wallet in my other robes, I did.

OBI-WAN smiles at the KAMINO while searching his own robes. The KAMINO frowns, obviously irritated.

OBI-WAN: That certainly is a lot of space dollars. (he continues to fish) What is that, about a thousand space dollars for every clone? (continues fishing). YODA looks around.

OBI-WAN: Blast these Jedi robes. I can never find anything in these pockets. Where are the pockets. (looks at the KAMINO and smiles as he turns his pockets out one by one).

The KAMINO does not reply. He pushes a red buttong located under the desk.

OBI-WAN: That's a lot of space dollars.

YODA: A lot, it is.

OBI-WAN: (finishes fishing) Okay. (counts change in hand, then looks at KAMINO CLONER) What can we get for (counts) six space dollars and twenty-seven space cents?

EXTERIOR. KAMINO CLONING FACILITY

The doors to the facility open. Two burly bouncer droids have OBI-WAN and YODA by the collars. They throw them onto the pavement roughly. They turn and walk back inside the facility.

OBI-WAN: (to droids now behind doors walking away) You better just keep on walking!

YODA: Fuck you up, I will.

OBI-WAN: You don't know who you're dealing with!

YODA: (he goes into YODA-FU stance) Jedi, we are!

OBI-WAN: You better not even (ends sentence as droids turn and begin back toward doors)

YODA and OBI-WAN run away.

[SPQR]

Impressive, most impressive.

The script from the cartoon seies no doubt.

[floppydisk]

That's brilliant, Dunedain! You must make a parody.

Wrong. The only ones worth a shit are humanoid Jedi, as the rest can't put up a fight fight and go extinct.
Leaving one race left. A race with a common Midoclorian infection, but a race nonetheless

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well, as long as we're going along those lines, let's make all the people who listen to rap music one race. And let's make all the computer geeks one race. And all the people who drink powerade one race. My point is that a race is a group of organisms that group together and reproduce to create more of the race. Your idea is rediculous, and about the same as what I described above. And I refuse to believe the midi's are what create Jedi, because it's retarted.

[SPQR]

That's brilliant, Dunedain! You must make a parody.
Well, as long as we're going along those lines, let's make all the people who listen to rap music one race. And let's make all the computer geeks one race. And all the people who drink powerade one race. My point is that a race is a group of organisms that group together and reproduce to create more of the race. Your idea is rediculous, and about the same as what I described above. And I refuse to believe the midi's are what create Jedi, because it's retarted.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Your reasons and proofs are always priceless: it's stupid, it's retarded...

...almost like your arguments

[Veer]

Dunedain idiea is a good as any - the Jedi didn't have the cash or resources after Order 66 to clone more Jedi.

Maybe they did clone most of the Jedi before though, which would explain why most of the Jedi are idiots in the PT.

Ofcourse one must wonder how the Jedi managed to get all the cash for 'Sif-dyas' to order a clone army, and not to notice that it went missing. Not to wonder how the paid for the temple, etc, etc...

[Mnesymone]

SPQR - they aren't a race.
Also, your reply to Floppy only countered the midis.
"Well, as long as we're going along those lines, let's make all the people who listen to rap music one race. And let's make all the computer geeks one race. And all the people who drink powerade one race."
This one you left alone.
Care to have a crack at it again.
(Also - they do have moral misgivings regarding Clones, its just that they are willing to accept the lesser of two evils to defeat the Separatists)

[SPQR]

SPQR - they aren't a race.
Also, your reply to Floppy only countered the midis.
"Well, as long as we're going along those lines, let's make all the people who listen to rap music one race. And let's make all the computer geeks one race. And all the people who drink powerade one race."
This one you left alone.
Care to have a crack at it again.
(Also - they do have moral misgivings regarding Clones, its just that they are willing to accept the lesser of two evils to defeat the Separatists)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I left it alone, because it has no relation to my point.
Again, they are a race. The only Jedi remaining are humanoids. They all share a genetic bond in common.

Chimps and Humans carry HIV, however Chimps are more resilient. When humans die out (because the HIV effects them more profoundly) and there are only a few chimps left, they should have Dr. Zeus clone the chimps instead of hiding in jane Goodall's hut.

just as the midoclorians are less effective with the alien races of Jedi (or sith). leaving only humanoid Jedi, the last race, to persist.

[Mnesymone]

The reason the nonhuman Forcewielders died was because they were disposable characters.

Also - I believe Yoda survived. He's a little greenish goblin-man with big eyes, long ears, three claws on each hand and three talons on each foot... not exactly humanoid.
Besides - one viable human (though old), one viable goblin-man (though old), two impotent humans (one old, the other strong but badly crippled and dependent on a suit to live) do not constitute a race.

[GreviousMAKESmeSAD]

I always though of Jedi as a way of life, like a priest. Are priests their own race?

[Mnesymone]

Jedi can't be considered a race, neither can priests - because a race (subspecies) can produce offspring. Jedi are not permitted to form attachments and are thusly celibate, and produce no offspring. Save Anakin, but he, ultimately, wasn't a Jedi.

[SPQR]

The reason the nonhuman Forcewielders died was because they were disposable characters.

Also - I believe Yoda survived. He's a little greenish goblin-man with big eyes, long ears, three claws on each hand and three talons on each foot... not exactly humanoid.
Besides - one viable human (though old), one viable goblin-man (though old), two impotent humans (one old, the other strong but badly crippled and dependent on a suit to live) do not constitute a race.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yoda has always been understood in GL's world to be a mutated human, and is further proven by this lifted research:

"What do you mean he's human?", I hear you cry, "he's short, green and has three digits! And the ears...." All very good arguments. Your average human doesn't look like that. Yoda didn't look like that 80 years ago. He was born Hershel Yodakovich, son of a dentist and homemaker. Early live for Hershel, Hershey to friends, was pretty typical. He had good grades, went to college to become an accountant, met a beautiful woman and got married. Life was fine, if a little dull. Then the sixties hit...

The fact that they are all humans constitutes a race.

[SPQR]

Jedi can't be considered a race, neither can priests - because a race (subspecies) can produce offspring. Jedi are not permitted to form attachments and are thusly celibate, and produce no offspring. Save Anakin, but he, ultimately, wasn't a Jedi.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dude, go learn some Taxonomy. Carlus Linnaeus anyone?
wether you CHOSE to reproduce or not does not effect your race!!!