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Posted 31 May 2005 - 01:27 PM

It certainly runs contradictory to everything we've seen thus far that there is any sort of landing strip necessary. The first five movies (and the rest of ROTS) show many ships landing and taking off vertically, without need for any type of landing strip necessary.

Odd choice.
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Posted 31 May 2005 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ May 31 2005, 11:27 AM)
It certainly runs contradictory to everything we've seen thus far that there is any sort of landing strip necessary.  The first five movies (and the rest of ROTS) show many ships landing and taking off vertically, without need for any type of landing strip necessary.

Odd choice.


I felt it was odd that after the aircraft lands, and destroys the control tower (with how many souls in it!!!) Obi-wan or someone says 'well, another successful landing'. I mean, what about those people you just killed?
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Posted 31 May 2005 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (Renegade @ May 31 2005, 02:41 AM)
I'm just saying.. its illogical. You'd think a battle station of that size and under danger might actually have more than 3-5 tie fighters protecting it.. and to criticize the PT for similar illogicalness is kinda retarded.


No, it's not illogical. Having more star fighters would not have changed the story. Having more Tie-fighter would have been SFX cool, but what few where filmed was enough to show that their was a space battle going on.
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Posted 31 May 2005 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE (Radu094 @ May 30 2005, 12:08 PM)
Just in the beginning of ROTS there is this scene about Anakin blowing up the force shields for the hangar bay doors (on Grevious's ship). Imediatelly as he does that, this masive metalic door begins to unrap to quickly close the bay.
 
    It would stand to a quick mind that it could be undesirable for any kind or ship (ie. boarding party) to land inside the hangar of a military ship. Therefore the force shields and the doors made a lot of sense..  All in all I enjoyed the moment.

  Now I realized something important (wel.. to me it was ): this is exactelly what has been missing from the whole of the prequels. The feeling that people were thinking stuff trough. The feeling that milions/bilions of people were living in that galaxy and that the most of the obvious ideeas have been already thought over.

  And I have proof for that: I always believed that it was a very dumb and unconvincing way how Anaking blew up the Droid control vessel. I couldn't put my finger on the problem.. but it was just dumb. Well, now I know why: it would take a few minutes for a military designer who built the damn thing to realize:"man.. we're gonna be needin' som shields to protect this hangar door, unless someone might fly a ship and launch a torpedo or someting from inside"

  And it's no isolated incident.. you can find these things any 5 minutes on the movie.
PS. on another  issue: I re-watched Ep3 today, somebody tell me this: They find palpy handcuffed to a chair... Count Dooku arrives.. they fight the guy. Anakin cuts his head off... THEN he uses the force to release Palpy from his handcuffs. WTF? What if he didn't survive the fight with Dooku. would it not make more sense to free Palpy BEFORE engaging Dooku.. I mean, give the guy a chance to run away? Jedi SOP, my ass..


Maybe I'm dumb, but here's a question - look at the ship dockings in the original trilogy - is there a difference between the shield barriers in the original trilogy and the ones in the prequel? If the Falcon and Imperial shuttles can fly into a docking bay with Stormtroopers standing around breathing, why couldn't Anakin and Obi-Wan fly into General Grievous' ship no problem? Are there two different kinds of shields - airlock shields and defense shields - or is there only one kind of shield?
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Posted 31 May 2005 - 09:19 PM

"Let's face it .. even in OT things were silly. I mean in ANH to defend the death star, they send out like 4 tie fighters.. WTF? Why didn't they just send like 20 fighters atleast to defend the station?"(Renegade)
They didn't send out any at first - the Falcon was too far gone for any fighter launches to get them, the ones the Falcon met were the sentry ships.
Then, in the death star run they send out enough to deal with the rebels - however, any fighter pilot could tell you that overwhelming forces in a dogfight, particularly a dogfight over your own flak, is a bad thing.
The more numbers in a fight, the more dangerous it is for anyone involved - the Imperials would not logically launch more fighters than there were rebel to prevent dogfight crowding. Though it was a decision based on time, technology and money, it was also logical. Besides, the Death Star's designers would not have felt that they needed a fighter defense system, because they were confident the station could not be harmed by fighters.
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 02:55 AM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ May 31 2005, 08:27 PM)
It certainly runs contradictory to everything we've seen thus far that there is any sort of landing strip necessary.  The first five movies (and the rest of ROTS) show many ships landing and taking off vertically, without need for any type of landing strip necessary.

Odd choice.


yeah... why not land on a pod racer track tongue.gif ? that'd be cool
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 02:56 AM

One thing i never understood is why the super star destroyer flys out of control and just plummets into the DS when its little command tower is knicked by a rebel ship. But now that I think about it, it is a cool effect. How would anyone really like it if thousands of rebel ship slowly destroyed the star destroyer bit by bit. that would have no dramatic effect.
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (Darth Sane @ Jun 1 2005, 02:56 AM)
One thing i never understood is why the super star destroyer flys out of control and just plummets into the DS when its little command tower is knicked by a rebel ship. But now that I think about it, it is a cool effect. How would anyone really like it if thousands of rebel ship slowly destroyed the star destroyer bit by bit. that would have no dramatic effect.


The description in the novelization says that the tower controlled the SSD's navigational controls, and after they were destroyed, it succumbed to the Death Star's gravity well.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 05:41 AM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ May 30 2005, 03:41 PM)
They were going for a strike - Dooku down, Palps rescued, but we still have the spare - Grievous. Perfect score if we take him out. Also lugging Palps around was making them dumb.

But as for synchronised swimming pilots - I suppose it would be too lame of me to say: Force empathy and awareness of each other?
Still - Anakin's Hot Shots move against the stupid buzz-droids (Did anyone else think Halo Flood when those guys turned up)... how does that make him the best star pilot in the galaxy.
And the Vulture Droids (Transformers - more than meets the eye!) were annoying. What's wrong with a perfectly normal fighter launch... besides, there were no vulture droids crawling on the Federation starship in TPM - which for some reason had no barrier on its hangar and had its reactor core just inside the hangar bay rather than tucked away in a gigantic cooling assembly deep inside the ship.


Two things- the first thing that went through my mind was Master Chief when I saw those buzz-droids. Secondly, what was with all of the new droid voices and comical violence? Those vulture droids were friggin annoying.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 06:33 AM

What is with the vocal communication between the droids? The beeps and boops R2 makes were endearing, but the conversations between the battle droids were borderline retarded. Seeing a "battle" droid scream RUNNN!!! and book ass away from the jedi on GG ship, although I chuckled, is a shot that weighs on the scene. Pointless to argue, its a kids movie, I know. I still felt like I was watching a Three Stooges bit.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 09:36 PM

I've made the point before that the only droids with voices should have been ones specifically designed for working with humans - its backed up by the OT with the droids on the Sandcrawler gibbering away in their own binary language. The battledroids should have only communicated in binary and shouldn't have had ranks - they shouldn't have driven vehicles because if it was a droid army the vehicles should have self-driven. And what is the point of the flood, I mean buzz-droids in a dogfight? What are they going to do to a capital warship?
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