[J m HofMarN]

If the fetus is indeed concius or sentient that whole time it's gotta be horrible. I mean your stuck in the tiniest of spaces imaginable, in complete darkness, with nothing to do, for almost a year. No somehow I hope they're not conscius at least not for most of it.

[floppydisk]

At that point they wouldn't even need anything to do. They know nothing of what's beyond that soft squishy wall, and therefore, can't want any of it. Ignorance is bliss.

[Revan-47]

No, I don't have a moral problem with abortion. A fetus is something that is barely alive, much less thinking for itself. It's brain isn't formed yet. It has no concept of anything. It's just there. Most people grow up to be assholes anyway.

I think that adoption is probably worse than abortion. You're putting a kid through a lot of pain by giving him up.

Although I never understood why it would matter if the people who took care of you for your whole life just happened to be not your biological parents. They still loved you enough to give up thierselves for you. I must not be very strong on the whole family thing...

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Yet even though a bunny or dog or something is barely aware does that make it right to kill it. God plans out every person from their birth to their death and by saying its ok to kill it because it isnt aware is not right. Its not our place to decide wether a fetus should live. its Gods.

[Jane Sherwood]

...I'm not even going to start with the god business...

As far as abortion goes, I say it's nobody's business but the pregnant woman's. If she wants an abortion, it's her right to have it.

...Up to a certain point in its development, of course.

[Mnesymone]

God plans out every person from their birth to their death

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Revan, even by your own argument you shouldn't be able to say anything about abortion. As you yourself said, birth till death, not conception till death.

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This post has been edited by Slade: 17 June 2005 - 10:46 PM

[floppydisk]

Yet even though a bunny or dog or something is barely aware does that make it right to kill it. God plans out every person from their birth to their death and by saying its ok to kill it because it isnt aware is not right. Its not our place to decide wether a fetus should live. its Gods.

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Well... there's nothing that I can say to that, except that you're not going to convince me to believe in god, so don't try. You're entitled to your opinion, though.

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[Slade]

If God plans out everything from birth to death (or even conception to death), than an abortion is all part of God's plan, or his plan can be interrupted, which would defeat the purpose of planned existance. But that's the wrong thread for this sort of stuff. I don't want to get into it; but if you want to, there are a buch of threads here for it.

Back to waiting for marriage, por favor... (I've said all I can, so I can't drag us back via something pertinent to discussion at the present time.

[Mnesymone]

Thanks for the quotework there, Sladadict, you have my blessing.

I think there was a consensus that if you were waiting for marriage before having sex that was your prerogative and there were no right or wrong answers to the question. Man, this thread does have a habit of being derailed.

[J m HofMarN]

So all a woman has to do when confronted by angry radical Christians with signs is say "It's ok, God totally planned this!" and then they'll leave her alone?

[floppydisk]

Not likely.

[Tpolg]

Jane Sherwood, do you have a boyfriend you love? Does he share your point of view?

To male posters: What do you think about the situation when a person you have affection towards would like to wait for marriage, and she is not willing to marry for the next 4 years at last?

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I presume for argument, that she is a pretty virgin. Otherwise I am not interested in her any way.
If she is, then it is really a matter of age. If she is eighteen, then fine, if she is twenty-eight, no.

As fair as being called virgin goes, it does not bother me, but I find the term mail virgin rather meaningless (unless you are talking about sodomy)

[civilian_number_two]

As fair as being called virgin goes, it does not bother me, but I find the term mail virgin rather meaningless (unless you are talking about sodomy)

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Uhm ... why exactly? Are you using the word "virgin" in some way apart from everyone else in the world?

[Tpolg]

Virgin means, unused, pristine, in its original state: virgin snow, virgin wool, virgin olives, and virgin girl.
There is no real meaning in talking about a male being unused, as males are the users.
If you are using it to simply refer to persons who have not engaged in copulation, then do you also include a male who has masturbated? It produces the exact same biological function as copulation? What about spontaneous ejaculation? I just do not see any meaningful difference.

[civilian_number_two]

OK then. I always thought virginity had something to do with carnal knowledge, some overblown religious notion and all that. If masturbation in your eyes is the same as sex, then I suppose then wet dreams would also qualify. Or maybe ejaculation isn't even necessary; perhaps just thinking about sex makes one no longer a virgin. Hell, if you're going to make a big deal about "virgin" just meaning "pristine," then I suppose we all lose our virginity the first time we get a boo-boo on our elbow.

Anyway, I choose to use the word the way everyone else uses it. And since your definition involves some moralistic comment about men being "users," I think you might want to fall back as well. Because the territory you're entering is hard to defend.

[Slade]

There is no real meaning in talking about a male being unused, as males are the users.

We're the users?

Point 1: Unless it's rape, it takes acceptance of both parties.
Point 2: Many women enjoy sex as much as men. The wouldn't see themselves as being used or using men.
Point 3: If you need to use the word "use" in regard to sex, something's very wrong with the relationship. Unless you're talking about prostitutes, I suppose...

Virgin in this sense means "nevert had sexual intercourse." There's no real meaning in refering to a girl as a virgin (or "used") either by your logic. The only real "test" is the presence of an intact hyman, which doesn't help if one of the many things that would screw up (ha) that particular method.