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Posted 25 May 2005 - 10:17 PM

Now that i'm done with my initial knee jerk reaction to ROTS (see I hate you all! thread), it's time to list what there is to like about Episdoe III. Please feel free to add your own reasons.

1) Episodes IV, V and VI will be sooo much better. thumbsup.gif

2) It makes Episodes I and II completely redundant.

3) Christensen Hayden proves he can act.

ummm, I'm sure i'll come up with a few more....
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 11:02 PM

Well Episodes 4 and 5 are better at least tongue.gif

-Though it won't set the world on it's ear, Christensen acting is so much better in this one. His I hate you to Obi Wan was chilling, and I could really see the last vistage of Anakin in those words.

-The lightsabre scenes were all well done, and much better than Menance and Clones battle combined. I especially like Palpatine/Mace, Palpatine/Yoda and Anakin/Obi Wan (though Id would've like to seen a little more dialogue in this one). While none will equal Vader/Luke 1 and 2, these remain very good moments in the whole PT.

-Anakins walking into the Jedi Temple was awesome

-Most of Palpy's scenes after he becomes Emperor are good. Over the top, but it suits his character IMO.Palpy is one of the most fun (and evil) villians in movie history.

-McGregor was Alec Guiness's Obi Wan in this one. Awesome, awesome job.

-Both Leia and Luke with their new "parents" were well done

-Bail Organa was a very likable hero

-The Clones looking like stormtroppers was a nice foreshadowing

-Anakin's physical transformation into Vader was very good, from his burning by the lave to his suit getting put on him

-Even less Jar Jar biggrin.gif

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 11:27 PM

It was a real reward for this SW fan to see a film better than the last.

It's been a while.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:31 AM

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-Though it won't set the world on it's ear, Christensen acting is so much better in this one. His I hate you to Obi Wan was chilling, and I could really see the last vistage of Anakin in those words.


True, Christensen managed to pull off a good job of anger and anguish after he turned.

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-The lightsabre scenes were all well done, and much better than Menance and Clones battle combined. I especially like Palpatine/Mace, Palpatine/Yoda and Anakin/Obi Wan (though Id would've like to seen a little more dialogue in this one). While none will equal Vader/Luke 1 and 2, these remain very good moments in the whole PT.


The duels were - blah. The Mace/Plaps duel was silly, from begining to end. The Yoda/Palps duel was better than vs Dooku in AOTC, but Palps had to spoil it by acting like a demented idiot. The only duel which got a reaction from me was the first few minutes of the Obi-wan/Vader duel. Was done really well, though too long and I have a few minor consistency quibbles.

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-Anakins walking into the Jedi Temple was awesome


Yes. The look on his face when he decides to kill the younglings was great. But I would have liked to have him kill a few Jedi too, just for consistency.

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-Most of Palpy's scenes after he becomes Emperor are good. Over the top, but it suits his character IMO.Palpy is one of the most fun (and evil) villians in movie history.


Ian was better as the Emperor than as Palps. Some parts - like the fighting - stunk though.

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-McGregor was Alec Guiness's Obi Wan in this one. Awesome, awesome job.


True. I really liked McGregor as a younger Oni-wan. Some really bad lines though.

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-Both Leia and Luke with their new "parents" were well done


The Alderaan scene was OK. Looked forced and the backdrop just seemed as CGI. The Luke sunset was well done, nice score.


QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-Bail Organa was a very likable hero


He had a far bigger role than I thought, but i'm glad.


QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-The Clones looking like stormtroppers was a nice foreshadowing


Ugh, the clones.... have I mentioned I hate Temuera Morrison?? No less hundreds of him. I can't stand the accent. It's just awful. And they showed the storm troopers without their helmets - sacrilege!!! Why is GL buttering up to a nothing actor with a nothing character??? And what’s up with the colour coding?

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 09:02 PM)
-Anakin's physical transformation into Vader was very good, from his burning by the lave to his suit getting put on him


I agree, it could have been better though.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:36 AM

I liked it.

I've already said that - but a brief summary... Order 66, Mister Darkside (between Anakin and Vader), good acting, a super grover Yoda that I didn't mind, new places and a lack of Jar Jar.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:58 AM

Could someone help me out here? I haven't seen ROTS and am unlikely to see it for awhile (not showing where I'm at), but have digested the reviews and spoilers. I'm aware that many people like the movie, including quite a few bashers of the first two prequels.

However, looking at the plot, it just doesn't match up with the plot of the OT, except in the general sense that the OT is a space opera featuring "jedi" and an "emperor", and the the PT someone defeats the "jedi" and becomes "emperor". I'm hard put to find any continuity. Plus, the plot of the PT isn't internally consistent either, Anakin is trained reluctantly by the Jedi, shows little to no promise, then turns on them for no explicable reason. Palpatine invests enormous time and energy in convoluted plots to take over a government that has no internal security force or means of defening itself. I'm not even sure why Palpatine wants Anakin as an apprentice.

So at best, ROTS is a cool looking movie with some arresting scenes and good acting and a plot that doesn't make sense. OK. But some of the acting has been criticized and alot of the scense being described just sound stupid. And if ROTS is a cool looking movie with some arresting scenes but a stupid, convoluted plot, that makes it like every other summer Hollywood blockbuster of the past ten years or so.

So what is the appeal of ROTS? Is the acting really that good and the scenes that memorable to overcome the plot? Is this a case of lowered expectations after the first two movies? I won't be able to go see the movie myself for a few months, so I'm wondering if someone could explain to me what I'm missing.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 02:12 AM

The best parts? Rerun of the Shit was lacking.

Lemme think... harder... harder... harder... ahhhh! My brain is about to burst! I give up! I give up! I surrender! Please let me live! I can't think of any part I'd call the "best"! The whole thing was the worst.

* lets his brain sizzle.

Hmmm... lemme think some more. In my humble opinion the best part was on Utapua when the commander of the clone forces there, I believe his name is Cody, hands something to Obi-wan and says, "I think you'll be needing this sir." I fully expected that Cody was going to blast Obi-wan into oblivion and send him happily to Jedi heaven. BAM! In the coldest way possible, Obi-wan goes out like a fire-cracker. Oh yeah.

But instead of a stick of future dynamite or a blaster in the face... he handed Obi-wan his lightsaber. Lame. Lame. Lame.

Sure... it would have been painful prequel inconsistency to blow Obi-won's head off... but that crime had already been done. Nobody accepts the prequels as the real story anyways. So why couldn't Lucas have made it even a little better?

Of course... if it did happen... and bashers insisted it was prequel inconsistency I'm sure some gusher would say, "Well the midi-chlorians grew him a new head just in time for ANH. That also explains why he looks like a different person."

The best part, all in all, was probably when Yoda and Mace Windu force-fucked Aayla Secura right out of the Old Republic. Wait, did that actually happen?
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 02:16 AM

Well for starters, the acting isn't good, so i dunno who told you that or why your under that impression. Emperor is pretty good in it and Obi Wan is too but besides that its pretty subpar or outright shitty acting.

People like it cause it generally it was pretty entertaining, and despite numerous flaws, it did put things pretty well together and ofcourse watching people get killed is always fun.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (Veer @ May 26 2005, 01:31 AM)
True, Christensen managed to pull off a good job of anger and anguish after he turned.
The duels were - blah. The Mace/Plaps duel was silly, from begining to end. The Yoda/Palps duel was better than vs Dooku in AOTC, but Palps had to spoil it by acting like a demented idiot. The only duel which got a reaction from me was the first few minutes of the Obi-wan/Vader duel. Was done really well, though too long and I have a few minor consistency quibbles.
Yes. The look on his face when he decides to kill the younglings was great. But I would have liked to have him kill a few Jedi too, just for consistency.
Ian was better as the Emperor than as Palps. Some parts - like the fighting - stunk though.
True. I really liked McGregor as a younger Oni-wan. Some really bad lines though.
The Alderaan scene was OK. Looked forced and the backdrop just seemed as CGI. The Luke sunset was well done, nice score.
He had a far bigger role than I thought, but i'm glad.
Ugh, the clones.... have I mentioned I hate Temuera Morrison?? No less hundreds of him. I can't stand the accent. It's just awful.  And they showed the storm troopers without their helmets - sacrilege!!! Why is GL buttering up to a nothing actor with a nothing character??? And what’s up with the colour coding?
I agree, it could have been better though.


-I like Palpy's overacting. It's entertaining and defines his over the top character IMO...but I can see how it would bother some

-In the videogame (which contains a few deleted scenes) both a Jedi master and his apprentice come to the temple and confront Anakin. It would've been really nice to see that in the movie

-Obi Wan's bad lines in this one were far more bearable than in the previous two. smile.gif

-Ill have to watch the Aldaraan scene closer. Im so use to CGI everywhere it's hard to spot the diffrence between the good and bad anymore

-I hear what you're saying about Morrison's accent. It was really annoying in AOTC...but I guess some of us are use to it and it wasn't the distraction it was in Episode 2
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 03:35 PM

The movie was great on almost all fronts. Sorry if this bothers any bashers out here. It would have been cool to see more of Vader in the suit, but what I saw onscreen was pretty good.

Yoda and the Emperor fighting..who hasnt been wanting to see that since the days of the old trilogy? It was even better than I heard.

It felt like a classic SW movie to me. I give it an 8/10.

Lucas is still the king as far as I am concerned. And many others feel the same or else the film wouldnt have made $50 million on opening day. cool.gif

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 04:26 PM

Yoda and the Emperor fighting? No, I've never wanted to see that. Or, if I did, I wouldn't want it to be a conventional and tediously choreographed fight. My respect for Lucas dropped several notches the second Yoda picked up a lightsabre.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 04:46 PM

That's the exact same thing I said in another thread earlier today.

Additional reason: There's finally a droid that doesn't die when you cut it's head off. Yay! I think that giving droids heads was a stupid idea in the first place. They should all be like Destroyer Droids; the peak of efficiency, no extrenuos parts, and very, very effective and deadly. But anyway.... Obi was walking away, and the droid's still attacking. It was very cool.

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 05:09 PM

Fair enough. While I respect your opinion, I do not agree with it.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 05:10 PM

Well, at least you're not flaming us for it. Good for you, you can have a pirate.gif and my respect.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 05:12 PM

No I generally dont use flaming in my posts. Its quite undignified. laugh.gif
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