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Of the 6 SW films made,what's your favorite & why? Your favorite SW film made and why

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 10:41 PM

If you go scene-by-scene rating then the Luke and Vader confrontation and sheer technical brilliance of the space battle out of Jedi make it in there - but the episodic nature of the three-stage plot, the perversity of Jabba's palace combined with the made for children Ewoks and the weak drama scenes between Luke and Leia and Luke and Vader really pull the film down.

Still with this thread... what about rating individual major scenes.
For me: Obi-Wan Kenobi & Luke on Tatooine.
Luke versus Vader (I am your father) amd Luke versus Vader (Gladiators before Caesar) fight for this spot
Owen and Beru on Tatooine (thats what I'm afraid of)
Order 66.
Mister Darkside.
The ROTS and ROTJ space battle fight for this spot.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (Renegade @ May 25 2005, 10:12 PM)
Wow you guys are ubber anti ROTJ. So what if there were Ewoks. The Emperor Vs Luke Vs Vader sequence is still the best scene/sequence in the whole series in my opinion..  yell.gif



Just like taking Jar Jar out of TPM, no Ewoks (or better yet, Wookies instead of Ewoks) in the film would NOT take away from the many other inherited problems of Jedi. Luke/Leia's revelation scene, Han's change of character for the worse(along with Harrison Ford's lack of enthusiasm for even being in ROTJ, just to throw salt in the wound), the misplaced slapstick, the muppet show in Jabba's palace, ect. But I do agree Emperor vs Luke vs Vasder is ONE of the best scene in the whole six episodes.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 10:47 PM

1) ESB - Imperial March and Vader as he should be. Han Solo and Lando deserve honourable mentions.

2) Star Wars - John Williams and Alec Guinness. A Classic

3) ROTJ - The Emperor.

4) ROTS - Some good scenes.

5) AOTC - Sonic Mines. They alone make the movie worthwhile.

6) TPM - Liam Neeson is the movies only saving grace. Though Darth Maul wasn't bad.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 11:01 PM

QUOTE (Michel Orla @ May 25 2005, 10:44 PM)
Just like taking Jar Jar out of TPM, no Ewoks (or better yet, Wookies instead of Ewoks) in the film would NOT take away from the many other inherited problems of Jedi. Luke/Leia's revelation scene, Han's change of character for the worse(along with Harrison Ford's lack of enthusiasm for even being in ROTJ, just to throw salt in the wound), the misplaced slapstick, the muppet show in Jabba's palace, ect. But I do agree Emperor vs Luke vs Vasder is ONE of the best scene in the whole six episodes.

I was fine with most of it to be honest.. ah well i guess its just a matter of opinion. I liked it
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Renegade @ May 25 2005, 11:01 PM)
I was fine with most of it to be honest.. ah well i guess its just a matter of opinion. I liked it


Oh yeah, for all its faults its still well done and enjoyable. I guess it depends on what you're expecting from the movie. When it came out, it was definitely the most fun of the three to watch if you were 12 and under.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 11:33 PM

I don't really have a problem with the Ewoks never have. I actually disliked the Jabba scenes more.. but still the Luke Vs Vader sequence is too good.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:44 AM

QUOTE (Renegade @ May 25 2005, 09:33 PM)
I don't really have a problem with the Ewoks never have. I actually disliked the Jabba scenes more.. but still the Luke Vs Vader sequence is too good.


I liked the Ewoks too, it sort of made sense somehow that the Empire would be taken off guard by the furry little critters.
The only problem I have with ROTJ is the editing - whenever the tension is building in the space battle and/or the Luke/Emperor/Vader scene GL whisks you back to cuddly ewoks which ruins the sense of dread. Some editing which made the ewoks scenes less significant would have made the whole movie better IMO.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:50 AM

Less significant in the sense of nonexistent?
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 02:19 AM

I still think Luke Vs Emperor Vs Vader is a better scene then the death star duel in ANH and Luke Vs Vader in ESB (well not including i am your father)
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 06:59 AM

Well Alec Guiness was very old at the time so we can't judge him on that. Luke and Vader in Empire was a formative scene and was much more mobile than the duel in Jedi - setting to setting it was a much heavier logistic ask. It was one of the costs of losing Gary Kurtz between Empire and Jedi. It was still a very good scene, I'm not denying it, and it had an extraordinary amount of pathos once the Emperor went into the background. One of the great scenes of the saga and thats why I put the two of them on an even footing.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 03:26 PM

I got to go with The Empire Strikes Back as my favorite. It wasnt as tied down in what had to happen as Return of the Jedi was. Plus I enjoyed seeing Luke meet Yoda for the first time, than having Luke go back only to watch him die, as was the case in RotJ.
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Posted 28 May 2005 - 11:30 AM

OK, I give in:

1. ANH
2. ESB
3. ROTJ
4. TMP
5. ROTS
6. AOTC

For some reasoning, here is the good and bad I see with each movie:

Star Wars: A New Hope

Good: Come on, if this hadn't been made you know the others wouldn't have been either, not even the beloved ESB. Its the one movie out of the six that is clearly a classic, and it works the best as a standalone movie. A fairly simple story, well told.

Bad: There is none of the plot problems and little of the cheese of the others, so its hard to think of anything bad. The worst I can say about it is that its clearly meant to be nothing more than escapist entertainment, thats why some people prefer its sequel.

The Empire Strikes Back

Good: This actually was the template for the other four movies, not its predecessor, as the other four movies are really about the history of the Skywalker family, not the rebellion. The focus doesn't really shift to the Skywalkers until the end of this movie. It develops a second theme for the series, and introduces many of the classic scenes people remember, such as the imperial fleet, Yoda, and Cloud City.

Bad: Personally, I don't like the shift of focus to the Luke-Vader relationship. Beyond that, ESB has some major plot problems, ie Luke gets to Dagobah in a single fighter when we are told in ANH that craft that small don't have hyperdrives, Vader's whole plan for finding the rebel base, Vader forgetting about the rest of the rebellion and sending his entire fleet through an asteroid field for find a small freighter, that escapes, the entire crew being captured or cornered at the end of the movie but everyone escapes but Han. The thinness of the story starts to show here and there, but its still the only movie in the sequels or prequels to successfully introduce new material.

The Return of the Jedi

Good: Wraps up the original trilogy very well, with no loose ends. I liked the happy ending since this is basically escapist entertainment. Lucas delivers on the Emperor -if you remember how much he scewed up on the young Vader this wasn't in the cards and the throne room scenes could easily have screwed up the entire OT. The movie has the best space battle in all three movies, some great lines, and we get to see a more mature Luke.

Bad: The first movie in the series where large amounts of cheese enters, ie the Ewoks (though I liked the concept of primitive peoples fighting the empire), Jabba's muppets, Jedi ghots sitting on logs.

Got to go, I'll cover the prequels in a later post.
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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:04 PM

OK, now for the prequels:

The Phantom Menace

Good: The storyline has a tenuous connection at best to that of the other five movies. Yes, this is actually good, you can watch the movie as a standalone story about a fairly hetrogenous group thrown together who go rescue a princess, and though this is derivative its still a good story and its interesting to see it told differently. The Liam Neeson character is fairly interesting, as are the pair of villians in different ways, and with the notable exception of midichlorians there is nothing in the prequel "universe" as introduced here that couldn't have been developed or fixed to provide an interesting story that was consistent with the original trilogy.

Bad: Jar-Jar Binks. Midichlorians. Midichlorians. Jar-Jar Binks. A host of minor problems, but nothing that couldn't be ignored with the ol' suspension of disbelief without those two.

The Revenge of the Sith

Good: It looks better and flows better than any of the other prequels. Lucas seemed to recover his directoral touch to some extent and the pacing is actually quite good. The over-the-top Emperor, while he seems to have walked in from another movie, is worth the price of admission to watch. Some gutsy choices by Lucas, such as Obi Wan hacking his friend to pieces and then walking away with him still alive.

Bad: Mainly the storyline, and some of the scenes like the fight between Sidious and Yoda, or when two charaters surf on lava, are just laugh-out loud ridiculous. The whole story of the prequels is told in this movie. As folks viewing this forum are well aware, an ambitious politician with magical powers manipulates the very institutions of the Republic to undermine and destroy it. In particular, he creates an army to attack the Republic, so he can profit from the sense of emergency engendered, and then creates another army to fight for it. This is necessary for him to seize total power. Along the way, he takes the most promising Jedi, an angst-ridden college student, and turns him to evil by saying otherwise the Jedi's wife will die and the arrangement holds even though she dies anyway. His apprentice kills a bunch of kids but is hacked to pieces the moment he confronts an adult Jedi, no matter he is rescued anyway and repaired and becomes Darth Vader of the original trilogy. Meanwhile his kids are hid with his step-brother and also with a prominent Senatorial family. Since this story makes no sense its impossible to take this movie seriously, no matter how good some of the scenes. And also, the actor playing Anakin/ Vader is not believable and the evil apprentice, he basically stares alot and loses an important fight at the end. The lighting of the movie is so dark its often hard to see what is going on.

The Attack of the Clones

Good: Count Dooku.

Bad: Same as for ROTS since is basically the same story. Anakin is supposed to be a good man and the most promising Jedi, the actor is completely unconvincing, he mainly stares alot and loses an important fight at the end. Both other prequels have occassional diverting touches but this movie doesn't, even the scenes involving Dooku are not very watchable because they have to feature the other characters. Most importantly, Lucas did not know how to use the CGI and overuses it to the point where nearly everything is animated. This movie is simply not a live action film. Its a cartoon with live actors, and doesn't fit with the other five, which are either entirely live action or the CGI is put more at the service of what live action elements exist. This is at best comparable with the Bakshi Lord of the Rings, at worst one of the most awful movies ever.

Full disclosure: I've only watched the last half of both AOTC and ROTS, so I accept there might be some wonderful scenes I am missing out on in the first halves. I have no interest in testing this by seeing AOTC, however I probably will see the first half of ROTS at some point, so in my mind the movie is bad but definitely better than its predecessor.
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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:57 PM

1)Empire Strkes Back - Works on so many levels. An excellent film, not just an excellent Star Wars film. This film has a verisimilitude that the others just do not. It feels so real, even though it takes place in another world.

2)Star Wars (I won't call it A New Hope, mainly b/c Lucas wants me to.) Just a classic film. A beautiful told story from beginning to end. It just flows and makes you believe in something amazing.

3)Return of the Jedi - Has some problems, but still and excellent movie and a superb wrapping up of the story. Watching Luke walk unarmed into Jabba's palace and take them down is brilliant, so is the Death Star battle, so is the plot device of the Emperor setting a trap, so is the idea that the Emperor failed to consider the furry animals on the planet below (yes, my friends, I'm giving a shout out to the Ewoks, however, I will say that the Ewoks should have been played less for laughs). Overall, a film with a few flaws but excellent none the less.

4) The Phantom Menace - Extremely flawed and juvenile. However, it has a semblance of a story, albeit not a good one, but a story nontheless. It also has Qui-Gon Jinn. He seems to have walked out of the classic trilogy and into this mess. It has several, not many, but several wonderful moments that feel like you are in the wonderful world that you remembered as a kid. (Pretty much any moment that Qui-Gonn opens his mouth is great). The film also has the feel of something big. But overall, a pretty lousy movie.

5) Revenge of the Sith - A loud, obnoxious, illogical mess. However, it is fast paced and some of it works in spite of itself. But the fact that some of it works is a testament to the classic films, not this film. Seeing some moments unfold is very exciting and satisying, even though in the context of this film, they make no sense. Anakin's turn to the dark side is laughable and makes no sense. And unfortunately, this film contradicts one the most important elements of the backstory. Obi-Wan told Luke, "Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights". No, he didn't. Vader killed a couple of childrend while the lame clone troopers killed the Jedi. Overall, a lousy movie that is very entertaining, but it is a damn shame that Lucas doesn't care anymore.

6) Attack of the Clones - Awful, awful movie. Quite possibly one of the worst movies I've ever seen, not just a bad Star Wars movie. Nothing in the movie makes sense, the Jedi are portrayed as complete morons. This movie does nothing for the saga. Just a complete and utter wast of time. This was the movie that did in the series. After AOTC, there was no chance to save the saga. Lucas dug too big a hole after this one and thus, ROTS could only be so good. Just a godawful film.

That's my two cents. I'm a huge Star Wars fan and in time I will probably learn to pretend that the prequels don't exist, just like I pretend Rocky V, Godfather III, Supermand 3 & 4, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, and the Matrix sequels dont' exist.
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Posted 28 May 2005 - 09:41 PM

But see, that's one of the biggest problems of TPM...It doesn't add anything to the other two prequel. For non Star Wars fans that's fine, but these movie SHOULD'VE been made for loyal Star Wars fans who followed the franchise since 1977 (We all know the real reason these prequel were made is for the $$$). We didn't need to see Anakin as a kid, nor Palpatine early years since he hardly does anything. Obi Wan is useless in the film until the very end, and Yoda sits around and does nothing the whole time.

The first film should've been the start of the Clone Wars, introducing Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and his student Anakin. That way you have two more films to PROPERLY show Anakin's fall from hero to villian, and Palpatines rise to Emperor and his turning Anakin to the darkside. To have only one film have Anakin turn good to bad is too rushed.

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