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Hypocritical Obi-Wan "Only the Sith deal in absolutes."

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 03:31 AM

[quote=Lord Melkor,May 25 2005, 09:18 AM]
SPQR, I am not a worshipper of Lucas, I just show respect to people who achieved sucess on great scale.

Just like I would never bash Bill Gates for making bad business.

It's nice to see that simple tenets still dictate peoples lives. First, you define success as the ability to accumulate monetary wealth. Then you are willing to accept 'bad business practices' because the ones responsible have already haven proven their ability to generate such wealth. It's good, we need people like you in the world. The Romans had their plebs, the kings had their serfs, and our society needs joe sixpacks who are merely content with their existence.

So by your logic, as long as a film has a successful box office take it deserves respect. Hollywood would love to clone people like you!
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 03:41 AM

Let`s see:

If a film has a good box office it means that many people like it. Even if I don`t, I have to respect their opinions. It is pretty obvious people have diffrent taste, isn`t it?
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 07:45 AM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 25 2005, 09:41 AM)
Let`s see:

If a film has a good box office it means that many people like it. Even if I don`t, I have to respect their opinions. It is pretty obvious people have diffrent taste, isn`t it?



No, not necessarily. Many people here bought tickets to see the film and did not like it. The ability to entice people to see a film is very differnt from getting people to like a film. That is why publicity and marketing of a film can reach as high as a third of production costs.
Besides, SW is using its cache from the OT to drive sales.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 24 2005, 04:19 PM)
You are overacting a bit, Obi-wan was in no mental condition to make good disputes.

Maybe he meant that Jedi don`t divide people into good and evil, they are understanding, compassionate?



WRONG AGAIN. both obi-wan and yoda do not believe there's any good left in Vader. they believe he is beyond saving, and so Luke must do the unthinkable: kill his father. Only Luke believes there is good left in Vader; his father can be saved.

So they deal with absolutes. Once a Sith, always a Sith. They must be destroyed; period.

Does that sound understanding and compassionate to you?
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 02:44 PM

Seinfeld is right. Yoda showed no interest in trying to save Anakin. The jedi are not so compassionate either.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 05:13 PM

Yeah you're right, it looks like Obi Wan took Padmes dying comment a bit lightly, but at the point of the OT, its easy to see why they thought there was no way back for Anakin. The prophecy was (supposedly) junked, ani was gone.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 07:31 AM

QUOTE (SPQR @ May 25 2005, 06:41 AM)
The larger problem is that GL added this line as a commentary on the Bush administration.  However, he only shows his own hypocrisy for he has created a story which paints a world of right and wrong, good and bad, and moral absolutism over moral relavitism.

Basically, he's an idiot, a rich, rich idiot.


Totally agree with you there. It just another plot hole in a mediocre movie filled with great CGI effects. I've got a vague suspicion that Lucas used all his money on SPICE and got his Twileks whores to write his scripts.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 10:59 AM

And now the bashers flood the board.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE (HeckHouse @ May 26 2005, 04:59 PM)
And now the bashers flood the board.



I think your tears are flooding it.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:12 PM

QUOTE (SPQR @ May 26 2005, 11:04 AM)
I think your tears are flooding it.


Umm, sure. huh.gif
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 01:41 PM

This is the drawback of every worldview that refuses to deal in absolutes. Clearly absolutes exist, to say they don't is not only contradictory, but a paradox and a logical fallacy.

Of course, Lucas isn't a great thinker. He's a good idea man. His execution is flawed, to say the least, but he can deal easily enough in the realm of vague concepts. Thus, his films can be at a minimum decent. I can accept a logical/mathematical error in a film so long as it entertains, which, 70% of the time, Ep III does for me.

It's similar to the way that Back to the Future, which is among my favorite strictly sci-fi films, has massive temporal and physics problems at the core of its plot, yet I can overlook them because it is so well put together otherwise.

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