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Posted 25 May 2005 - 02:34 AM

Still, it would be handy to use a little shot of lightening to help jump start that pesky speeder. That wouldn't be a dark side use really would it???
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Supes @ May 25 2005, 07:34 AM)
Still, it would be handy to use a little shot of lightening to help jump start that pesky speeder. That wouldn't be a dark side use really would it???


This is what I mean - just using the powers for something or other, not necessariliy for torture. I can see why torture is to do with the darkside, but not those specific powers (lightning and choke) given that Jedi DO harm people in other ways. And using lightning to jump start a speeder can't be wrong
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 06:51 AM

It's not gentlemanly/womanly conduct. Jedi never stab you in the back, take you on while you're asleep/on the toilet/entertaining a laydee and always stop for tea at 5pm. No battles on weekends or bank holidays.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Code Red @ May 25 2005, 11:51 AM)
It's not gentlemanly/womanly conduct.  Jedi never stab you in the back, take you on while you're asleep/on the toilet/entertaining a laydee and always stop for tea at 5pm.  No battles on weekends or bank holidays.

Sith do the force equivalent of Indiana Jones - watch the fancy swordplay, then pull out a big gun and blow you away  tongue.gif


You're saying that Jedi don't 'cheat' and that it's a 'fair fight'. However, they DO use force push on people, even if their opponent doesn't have the force push, so they don't stick to the notion of a fair fight in actuality

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 08:49 AM

In the role-playing game of Star Wars, the lightning/saber issue is explained as follows:

Using the force to directly harm another living creature (mitochlorian on mitocholorian?) is a dark side power (i.e. lightning).

Whereas using a light saber (an intermediate object) to directly harm another living creature in order to defend oneself or defeat evil is an accepted jedi tradition.

But for the record, the more you examine "jedi philosophy" the less actual sense it makes. It's not a coherent religion or system of philosophy and it breaks down under close scrutiny.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 10:56 AM

No, it's not, and you ought to check out Orson Scott Card's article on this very thing...

Orson Scott Card's thoughts on the Force and Jedi

I don't see the Force-Push as a bad thing. I don't get that. If you were bending over to pick up your dropped lightsaber and a Sith came charging at you---a Force Push would be a very good defensive measure. It's not bad.
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 12:26 PM

No I don't think it's bad. What I am saying is that it's not 'fair' to use force push against someone who doesn't have that ability themselves, as people say the reason why jedi don't use lightning is because it's unfair or unsportsmanlike. I think using all force powers is acceptable and moral, given the right situation.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 06:05 PM

for me, i draw a line between offensive and deffensive powers. choke and lightning cant be used unless they are hurting someone. a lightsabre can protect you all day and never harm a living being. a force push can arrest an opponet's attack without necessarily damaging him. the lightining and choking would be useful in combat, the darkside flows easily, quick to join you in a fight; so i figure the jedi avoid using/learning these powers so that they dont 'accidently' resort to them in a moment of emotion. luke, is more of a 'shadow' jedi, he uses all the powers he has cuase his training is limited and there is no one around to preach jedi dogma. in the end, its not what the power is, but how you use it. with great power yadda yadda yadda...
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 06:19 PM

Yeah, but Orson Scott Card is a complete f**king lunatic Mormon so I don't really care what he thinks about anything.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 07:38 PM

He wrote Ender's Game so he can't be that bad... but he does get hung up on some weird stuff - like with Wyrms and Speaker for the Dead.

On topic - I kinda agree with xenduck. Force Lightning (which isn't necessarily electricity) is a purely offensive weapon, as is telekinetically crushing windpipes. Telekinetically pushing someone away, though can be used offensively (say pushing someone off a roof) it can be used to say, topple droids, which is fine.

As for Jedi being sportsmen - no - they aren't there to have a fair fight, if they get into a fight with someone who doesn't have force push, but they do have blasters, is much more in the Jedi ethos to topple them with the force than to say, charge them down and cut their head from their shoulders.
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