[Darkness_into_Light]

Two things:

1) Was anyone else disturbed by Yoda's murdering of the two clones? It was stated in Episode II that they were specially created to have extra weak mind resistance. Why didn't he just use the force to convince them they didn't want to kill him, especially if they were so weak? Sure, Order 66 was in effect, but if their orders can be changed so easily why couldn't Yoda just change their orders again?

2) Qui-Gon is said to be "one with the force." Aside from the difficulty of him still having an identity for Yoda and Obi-Wan to talk to (as he is therefore part of everything - rock, tree, etc.), is this somehow supposed to explain why the jedi that die in the original trilogy disappear instead of having their bodies stick around? Because Qui-Gon taught them how to? If so, that's really lame.

[Renegade]

Two things:

1)  Was anyone else disturbed by Yoda's murdering of the two clones?  It was stated in Episode II that they were specially created to have extra weak mind resistance.  Why didn't he just use the force to convince them they didn't want to kill him, especially if they were so weak?  Sure, Order 66 was in effect, but if their orders can be changed so easily why couldn't Yoda just change their orders again? 

2)  Qui-Gon is said to be "one with the force."  Aside from the difficulty of him still having an identity for Yoda and Obi-Wan to talk to (as he is therefore part of everything - rock, tree, etc.), is this somehow supposed to explain why the jedi that die in the original trilogy disappear instead of having their bodies stick around?  Because Qui-Gon taught them how to?  If so, that's really lame.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

1) Umm.... its not "murder" when your being attacked for starters, its self defense. Second of all, in a split second decision, its kinda hard to start making peoples minds change. "Oh hey you don't wanna do- DEAD".

2) Prolly a weak explanation but that's prolly the only one that could be given. If he never brought up an explanation everyone would whine "OMGOGMOGM WHY DIDNT THEY DISSAPEAR IN THE FIRST THREE BUT DID IN THE SEQUELS OMGOMGOGM". Weak reasoning, but thats prolly the only way that it could of been explained properly.

[Darkness_into_Light]

1) Umm.... its not "murder" when your being attacked for starters, its self defense. Second of all, in a split second decision, its kinda hard to start making peoples minds change. "Oh hey you don't wanna do- DEAD".

Hm - good point re: self-defense. Ok - not murder. Needless killing and gross negligence of the force, maybe.

Re: split-second decision, it was obvious he was observing them as they were walking closer. Obi-wan didn't seem to have any problem with quick commands in ANH.

Good thoughts, though.

[Renegade]

Hm - good point re: self-defense.  Ok - not murder.  Needless killing and gross negligence of the force, maybe.   

Re: split-second decision, it was obvious he was observing them as they were walking closer.  Obi-wan didn't seem to have any problem with quick commands in ANH. 

Good thoughts, though.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Eitherway its not really murder, I mean they have become the enemy. And it still would of been pretty hard to sit there and start playing mind games while people are IN combat. When ObiWan did it, it was much more casual, not like the stormtroopers were about to shoot him.

[Darkness_into_Light]

Eitherway its not really murder, I mean they have become the enemy. And it still would of been pretty hard to sit there and start playing mind games while people are IN combat. When ObiWan did it, it was much more casual, not like the stormtroopers were about to shoot him.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Maybe - in our theater everyone cheered when it happened. It seemed to me like GL was 1) trying to show that Yoda was smarter than all the other jedi and wasn't going to be taken by surprise and 2) looking for some kind of good guy fight-back after all the jedi murders.

Another alternative might have been for Yoda to take control of those two guys and have them order the rest of the army not to shoot down the others.

That's one of the nice things about the X-Men movies compared to these (although it pains me to say it) - generally the mutants actually use their powers when they can.

ESB, live forever.

[Renegade]

Maybe - in our theater everyone cheered when it happened.  It seemed to me like GL was 1) trying to show that Yoda was smarter than all the other jedi and wasn't going to be taken by surprise and 2) looking for some kind of good guy fight-back after all the jedi murders.

Another alternative might have been for Yoda to take control of those two guys and have them order the rest of the army not to shoot down the others. 

That's one of the nice things about the X-Men movies compared to these (although it pains me to say it) - generally the mutants actually use their powers when they can. 

ESB, live forever.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think your really overestimating the power of mind control. I mean sure you can change a person's mind here and there on basic shit, but changing an entire ARMYS mind is another story. This is all assuming he could of even mind controlled them, we don't know if they really are capable of being controlled like that.

[SPQR]

The Clones were not being mind controlled, they were given a direct order to extinguish a coup by the Jedi. Therefore they were not weak minded as much as carrying out orders.